Is the 6.5 Creedmoor just marketing hype

[SAWMAN]

Duelist,which bullet do you shoot in that 6.5C ?? Factory or handloads ?? -- SAWMAN

 

[tatsoul]

I have both and love the 6.5, its a hog killing machine. Less recoil with 35 grains of varget compared to 42 in the 308, and kills hogs just as dead,

 

[SAWMAN]

Which bullet in your 6.5C for hogs. Never thought about using my bolt gun for hogs . . . but yeah,why not.
I have some 120gr Swift A-Frame to try. Barnes also. --- SAWMAN

 

[Fodderwing]

The NEW 7.6 Creedmoor — Best .30-Cal Cartridge Ever? « Daily Bulletin

Leveraging the incredible success of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge, ammo-makers and rifle manufacturers have teamed up to produce a bigger Creedmoor cartridge -- the 7.6 Creedmoor. The latest addition to the Creedmoor line gets its name from its 7.62mm bullet dimension. Yep, that makes it a .

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[SAWMAN]

I heard that every army of every country in the world is ALREADY planning to switch to the 7.6C.
This chambering has been around (secretly) for two years and extensive reserch has been done.
It will be the mil snipers dream. Not having any holdover at all and no need to accomplish a 3-5 day cleaning. It will stay super to 3500yds.
As an added,and further testimony to this "holy grail" of rifle chamberings,Frank is selling all his 6.8's to use these for hogs and dillo's. JJ just told me that all his 308Win/7.62X51 guns "WILL DAMN SURE BE CONVERTED".
Personally - -> I feel that the old,outdated,do nothing,308Win will quickly slip into oblivion. --- SAWMAN

 

[Crazydoc68]

It's great for long range. Like out to 1500yds.

My old load that in8sed was a 140gr RDF bullet and was at 2975 at muzzle. I'm 5800 ASL. The air is very thin here. I want to say I was supersonic out to about 1500-1600 yards. Had no issues at 1080yds. Could ring a 2 MOA target at that range 8 out of 10 times.

It was too easy.

Doc

 

[M118LR]

Let's be honest, the 6.5 x 48 Creedmoor isn't even able to match the ballistics of the ancient 25-06 Remington. The same folks that armed SNIPER SUPPORT with the 5.56 x 45 are now attempting to add to the fray. The M118 Special Ball, M118LR, etc have been surpassed long ago by MK316 & it's modifications, which have all been superseded by further ranging cartridges & calibers. All the failed 7mm rounds have ballistic charts that exceed the 6.5 x 48. The sole contributing factor to the Militaries consideration of the 6.5 x 48 is that they have decades worth of service members that barely learned to handle the recoil of the 5.56 x 45. If your prone to miss with a .30 Cal due to shooting weaknesses, arm them folks with .223, .224, .257, until the failures in basic marksmanship can be statistically outperformed. Real World conflicts with folks sporting .50BMG Precision Rifles, the outlook for the 6.5 x 48 isn't bright!

So as SAWMAN asked, what are requirements to effectively exterminate the game animal your expending rounds upon at 1K+ Meters? Now if motion free fixed paper targets at known distances are your targets, and your reloading, well the 6.5 x 48 only costs a few cents more per round than you can purchase mil-surplus 7.62 x 51 for. If you don't have the original investment in the required reloading equipment the costs are undesirable.

So how about a little sunshine for the 6.5 x 45? I'll turn to wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Creedmoor

Now as to current Battlefield Firearms:

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Information on the various weapons used by American Special Operations Forces (SOF) - read detailed info, specifications and view high quality images.

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Opps, I forgot to mention that a smaller diameter projectile 6.5 vice .308 with the same powder charge shall erode the barrel throat that much faster. So add the cost of earlier barrel changes to your long distance formula. LOL.

 

[tatsoul]

Which bullet in your 6.5C for hogs. Never thought about using my bolt gun for hogs . . . but yeah,why not.
I have some 120gr Swift A-Frame to try. Barnes also. --- SAWMAN

140 grain sst and 140 Sierra game kings

 

[M118LR]

140 grain sst and 140 Sierra game kings

Isn't that like .485 BC 140 SMK vice .505 BC 175 SMK?

https://www.sierrabullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/BC-chart-rifle.pdf

 

[tatsoul]

Isn't that like .485 BC 140 SMK vice .505 BC 175 SMK?

https://www.sierrabullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/BC-chart-rifle.pdf

I believe they are a little higher, im super impressed with this round. I'm getting almost as high velocities with 35 grains of varget as my 308 with 42.5 grains. Super accurate in a diamondback DB10, most drop where they stand and almost all of em dont go far.

 

[SAWMAN]

Here is my question re. some members stateing the 6.5C has less recoil(impulse) than a 308Win.
How much powder does the 6.5 burn using a 147-160gr bullet ?? How about a 308 with a 140gr ??
Both the cases hold the same amount of powder (~). What would the difference in recoil be ??
Even with the 6.5 shooting the 147 vs the 308 shooting a 155-168gr. The difference in recoil to your shoulder is probably minimum.
And given the above,what is the difference with a semi auto gas gun ?? The bullets weight and the bullets speed directly results in recoil. For every action,there is a equal and opposite reaction,right ?? --- SAWMAN

 

[M118LR]

I believe they are a little higher, im super impressed with this round. I'm getting almost as high velocities with 35 grains of varget as my 308 with 42.5 grains. Super accurate in a diamondback DB10, most drop where they stand and almost all of em dont go far.

I've used the pedestrian 7.62 x 39 154 grain Silver Bear HP at or inside of 150 yards for over a decade in a Mini-30 and have not failed to drop even 400 LB Hogs with a single round. Dropped Black Bear & Deer also. But a simple 300 yard shot with a 150 yard zero requires 1 & 1/2 Mils Hold Over. I can't even compute 1200 or 1500 yard hold over for the 7.62 x 39. LOL.

 

[tatsoul]

Here is my question re. some members stateing the 6.5C has less recoil(impulse) than a 308Win.
How much powder does the 6.5 burn using a 147-160gr bullet ?? How about a 308 with a 140gr ??
Both the cases hold the same amount of powder (~). What would the difference in recoil be ??
Even with the 6.5 shooting the 147 vs the 308 shooting a 155-168gr. The difference in recoil to your shoulder is probably minimum.
And given the above,what is the difference with a semi auto gas gun ?? The bullets weight and the bullets speed directly results in recoil. For every action,there is a equal and opposite reaction,right ?? --- SAWMAN

I think it has more to do with sectional density, the bullet is long and skinny. I was very impressed with how light the recoil is with such a hard hitting bullet. The 6 5s seat deeper in the case. I'm running almost max varget in the 6.5 case @35 grains . Max is 36.5 , my lowest loads in 308 150 gr bullet is 40.5 of varget and max i believe is 45.5.
Hornady did a great job with this round for people that know what to do with them

 

[tatsoul]

I've used the pedestrian 7.62 x 39 154 grain Silver Bear HP at or inside of 150 yards for over a decade in a Mini-30 and have not failed to drop even 400 LB Hogs with a single round. Dropped Black Bear & Deer also. But a simple 300 yard shot with a 150 yard zero requires 1 & 1/2 Mils Hold Over. I can't even compute 1200 or 1500 yard hold over for the 7.62 x 39. LOL.

I don't know about that. My velocity with a 140 is almost 2700 fps, the bc of the 140 is higher than any .30 in the same class. Less felt recoil so less prone to mistakes. The twist rate and the narrow bullet all play factors.

 

[tatsoul]

I was a 308 fan boy for years. My go to round but I honestly like 6.5 better for neck shots. The accuracy is almost same hole at 100 yards.

 

[M118LR]

I was a 308 fan boy for years. My go to round but I honestly like 6.5 better for neck shots. The accuracy is almost same hole at 100 yards.

This is probably a loaded question, but have you ever dropped a hog size game animal @ over 1500 meters with your 6.5? Nowadays I won't squeeze off a round at game over 300 yards, so why should I expend more time, energy, and Republic Credits using a 6.5 instead of low cost, easily available, no need to reload .308 Win Surplus? I mean do the critters notice the difference??????

First shot at over 100 yards with just a Mini-30 with 154 gr Silver Bear Russian Surplus and I don't need a neck shot for a 1 shot stop.

 

[tatsoul]

These rounds leave big holes. Tears there insides out.

 

[tatsoul]

This is probably a loaded question, but have you ever dropped a hog size game animal @ over 1500 meters with your 6.5? Nowadays I won't squeeze off a round at game over 300 yards, so why should I expend more time, energy, and Republic Credits using a 6.5 instead of low cost, easily available, no need to reload .308 Win Surplus? I mean do the critters notice the difference??????

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First shot at over 100 yards with just a Mini-30 with 154 gr Silver Bear Russian Surplus and I don't need a neck shot for a 1 shot stop.

Honestly that group isn't that impressive. Would imagine you would see alot of animals run off.. But to answer the question I never shoot at anything living past 400 yards ever. Majority of my hog shots are within 100 yards. I would not hesitate to hunt deer with that rifle if I wanted to.

 

[tatsoul]

These bullets make things leak when they get hit

 

[M118LR]

These rounds leave big holes. Tears there insides out.
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Sure hope that shot was an entry wound from the rear quarter, or is that the exit wound from a front quarter shot that traveled that far without expanding? Would hate to think a round from a low recoil, pedestrian 7.62 x 39 inflicts the same required amount of efficiency.

As poor as that group is, Deer, Bear, & Hogs @ 150 yards or less; never needed a second shot.

Ain't many that get away even in the dark with just a 5.56 x 45. LOL