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    Pompnewbie

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    Little Jack said:
    Shall not be infringed... for Americans... over 18... that don't smoke pot.
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    Seriously man?.. and your a FFL?
    The foreign national that shot up NAS did so with a handgun he got for "hunting" .
    Imagine what could happen if a couple hundred thousand military age Chinese males crossed illegally and went to the nearest gun store.

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    Pompnewbie said:
    Speaking of which.. how exactly does an illegal buy a weapon legally?
    No SSN, no DL.. no paperwork?
    So ... yeah what's another law broken

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    So 4473s and background checks are good? To include universal backgrounds when transferred between two non-licensee citizens.
     
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    Entering the United States illegally should be a felony imo. There is a legal way to immigrate to the USA and thousands of people have followed the laws to legally enter the United States. People who enter illegally don’t have the right to vote which is the right of citizens who are here legally.
    So how far and how many rights do those here illegally get. If you are not legally allowed to buy a firearm then why are you allowed to possess one
     
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    MarkS said:
    Entering the United States illegally should be a felony imo. There is a legal way to immigrate to the USA and thousands of people have followed the laws to legally enter the United States. People who enter illegally don’t have the right to vote which is the right of citizens who are here legally.
    So how far and how many rights do those here illegally get. If you are not legally allowed to buy a firearm then why are you allowed to possess one
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    The right to buy a gun is granted to you by being a citizen?
     
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    MarkS said:
    Entering the United States illegally should be a felony imo. There is a legal way to immigrate to the USA and thousands of people have followed the laws to legally enter the United States. People who enter illegally don’t have the right to vote which is the right of citizens who are here legally.
    So how far and how many rights do those here illegally get. If you are not legally allowed to buy a firearm then why are you allowed to possess one
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    Great question. IMO. . . . none. If illegal you've already subjugated the system for your own benefit.
     
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    Little Jack said:
    The right to buy a gun is granted to you by being a citizen?
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    I’m no lawyer but the news said the Saudi national who shot up NAS Pensacola was only able to buy a firearm because he had his green card. As a former FFL I’m sure you know more than I do about who can legally purchase a firearm
     
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    This isn’t a difficult concept. Yes, they have the same basic, universal right to self defense… that they gave up by becoming a foreign invader.

    I have the right to self defense. That changes if I’ve kicked in someone’s door and am in their house. I no longer have the right to self defense because I gave up that right when I decided to be a felon.
     
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    Little Jack said:
    No longer a FFL.

    Plenty of citizens with guns have done all sorts of ugly things. I just think the dichotomy of "rights for me, none for thee" makes for interesting discussion.
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    No it doesn't make for an interesting discussion, at all.

    If you were born and raised in America by Americans
    If you were legally granted citizenship.
    You have earned the rights granted in the Constitution.

    Its called the Constitution of the United States because:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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    If you are not a legal citizen of The United States you get to live under the laws of the Country you are a citizen of.

    This is crystal clear, there is no ambiguity.

    If you want to live under the "Blessings of Liberty" become a legal citizen.

    If not? Leave or be removed.
     
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    IIRC just entering the country illegally (the first time at least IIRC subsequent entries increase the level) is not a felony. If you are a person who would have been denied entry legally it may change things, but it's been two decades since it was my job to know such things.

    It's an interesting legal dilemma, because a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all persons in the US, illegally or not, are provided the same basic human rights as recognized (not granted) by the Constitution. We can argue the morality of it, but legally everyone gets a trial, an attorney, a right no not self-incriminate, free speech, religion, not to be subjected to cruel or unusual punishment, all of it.

    There's a big legal difference between buying and possessing firearms. Really too much to type out right now, but it's worth looking up.
     
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    MarkJ said:
    If you are not a legal citizen of The United States you get to live under the laws of the Country you are a citizen of.
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    Legal visitors to the US still have to abide by our laws. They don't get to operate under a different rule set because of they way they do it at home.
     
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    ABlaster said:
    Legal visitors to the US still have to abide by our laws. They don't get to operate under a different rule set because of they way they do it at home.
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    Laws are drastically different than Rights afforded to legal citizens under the Constitution, I was specifically referring to the Rights afforded under the Constitution to American Citizens.


    1. Constitutional Rights: Constitutional rights typically refer to fundamental rights and freedoms guaranteed by a constitution to legal citizens within the jurisdiction of a particular entity or organization. These rights often include freedom of speech, religion, assembly, due process, equal protection under the law, and various civil liberties. Constitutional rights are applicable to legal citizens.
    2. Laws for Non-Citizens: Laws affecting non-citizens encompass a broad range of regulations, policies, and statutes that govern the rights, obligations, and legal status of individuals who are not citizens of the host country or entity. These laws may include immigration laws, visa regulations, residency requirements, employment laws, taxation rules, and various other legal provisions specific to non-citizens. The rights and protections afforded to non-citizens under these laws can vary significantly depending on factors such as immigration status, visa type, and the legal framework of the country or entity. They are not the same as Constitutional Rights.
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