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oldefoxx
Shooter
I get the impression that you don't have an idea one about what is important and what isn't. "old info" to you is not old info to some. There is an old saying about "don't shoot the bearer of bad news". Yours is another potshot, in case you didn't know.
FrankT
6.8 SPCII Hog Slayer
LOL, this has been around and around, we seem to be better informed than you think. i am guessing you have not been on a forum before and think you are posting to a bunch of dummies, at least that is the way I read you...good luck, I will make sure i pass on reading your rehash of info in the future...Get a FB page and repost there for your amusement.
Scrooge
Marksman
Agree CCHGN! Well said!
oldefoxx
Shooter
As I said before, at least 90% reject facts that do not suit their fantasy of what the world is really like. Saw the same in the USA after my first visit to countries around the Med. Can't reach them because of the solid bone between the ears, and don't even try. Incidently, I began visiting and posting on forums since they were hosted on BBSs and accessed by dialups.
Oh, and your "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target." seems very apt under the circumstances. Neither one of you have anything of note to contribute to the conversation, not a fact one, and so you just speak disparingly about the writer. Funny, I get the same put downs from socialists when you attack their model of what a government should be. You two aren't hidden socialists, are you? Same mind set anyway.
Oh, and your "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target." seems very apt under the circumstances. Neither one of you have anything of note to contribute to the conversation, not a fact one, and so you just speak disparingly about the writer. Funny, I get the same put downs from socialists when you attack their model of what a government should be. You two aren't hidden socialists, are you? Same mind set anyway.
oldefoxx
Shooter
Seems to me I have just been presenting facts and sources along with conclusions, and some others have been jumping to conclusions without stating any facts. All I;m doing is turning the hose back the other way when it is aimed in my direction. That's a favorate tactic of those that strike without bases, to blemish the whole matter so that everybody decides to just steer clear of it. See you've had a sniff full. Don't thank me, credit goes to the others for aiming the hose in the first place.
outside9
Master
If I thought the way some of you do I would leave this country while I could. This country has its problems, but it is still the greatest place on this earth to live. You have the freedom to come on here and speak your minds.
opcorn:oldefoxx
Shooter
I would say "was the greatest country" rather than "is". It's changed a lot, and not for the better. We still have a pretty soft touch here, but when the money fades out, all that will be gone in a flash. It's been said so often that it hardly bears repeating: "You can't borrow your way out of debt". Something most politicians can't seem to get a grasp on. Oh, and what goes hand in hand with the first saying is "You can't spend your way out of debt" either.http://www.lombardifinancial.com/re...2/indexc.php?dept=PC&sb=EBLAST&sdate=03282013
Profit Confidential has just released a new video that shows that the US Currency is part of a rigged Ponzi scheme that makes it the biggest such scheme ever conceived or carried out in the history of mankind. It not only effects every American, but every nation on earth. And as with all Ponzi schemes, it has to fail. See the video to find out more:
http://www.lombardifinancial.com/re...2/indexc.php?dept=PC&sb=EBLAST&sdate=03282013
So what is a Ponzi scheme? As Ponzi himself explained it, "There's no profit in it, just lots of money". The idea is that past investors are paid by the fees and funds provided by new investors, and that this continues until there are no new investors or not enough to keep paying existing investors.
Profit Confidential has just released a new video that shows that the US Currency is part of a rigged Ponzi scheme that makes it the biggest such scheme ever conceived or carried out in the history of mankind. It not only effects every American, but every nation on earth. And as with all Ponzi schemes, it has to fail. See the video to find out more:
http://www.lombardifinancial.com/re...2/indexc.php?dept=PC&sb=EBLAST&sdate=03282013
So what is a Ponzi scheme? As Ponzi himself explained it, "There's no profit in it, just lots of money". The idea is that past investors are paid by the fees and funds provided by new investors, and that this continues until there are no new investors or not enough to keep paying existing investors.
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oldefoxx
Shooter
Here is a not-so-funny thing about investments (like savings or owning stocks and bonds) and inflation, and how they work together: As inflation becomes worse, the value of your investments seem to rise. In other words, it looks like you are making money, when the actual changes are negated out by how much inflation is increasing and how fast. Now it is true that on paper you are coming out ahead, and it can even be argued that the increases at least keep your investments afloat or on a par with what they should be worth it there were no inflation. But here is the rub. This works until the botom drops out of the bucket, and the reported value of your investments are paid off in worthless dollars. Even getting out just before the bottom drops out does not do you any good because you still end up with worthless dollars.
Your investments need to include what they consider a hedge against this, and this means putting some of it into something substantial, possibly a precious metal which will only increase in value when the paper money becomes nothing. The government is even considering a way to symbolize that the currency is healthy by buying up enough platinum to make a huge trillion dollar coin and keep it on hand. Australia has a million dollar gold coin, and the platinum coin would be many times bigger and heavier and suppose to convince even the most sceptical of critics that the currency is sound. It's just a ploy to keep the house of cards propped up as long as possible, so don't be fooled. If they actually do it, it just shows how desperate the government is becoming in trying to make it seem that everything is fine. I mean, what's the point of making a coin of that cost and size if it never can be spent?
I've registered with various groups and interests online, from Stansberry & Associates (where I get financial news daily) to the Tea Party and Conservative Parties, and that means I get roughly 30 additional emails under two accounts daily. These are very informative, and I read the ones that get my attention. I can't afford to contribute to many of their drives, but I take part in their polls and drives to let the members of Congress know what I think and how I feel about issues. In other words, though I can't get out and about, I am more involved and more concerned now than I was when I was younger.
I've taken time to study the history of Socialism and follow the argument trail of why it cannot succeed and has always failed, at least in part, and had to give way to some form of capitalism to manage to get by, and I have tried to show some socialists that they have serious problems with the whole model of what they think the ideal government should be, only to be put down for daring to say anything at all against it. Explains my attitude towards hecklers in general, which is that they never bother to check the facts first, so when they speak out, all you get is hot air and heated personal opinions.
I am just trying to give one or two of you the idea that maybe you should not wait to get in line for what is coming, but widen your horizons and intake, like get on mailing lists, and then find out what is really going on. You are not going to get the real scoop from newspapers or watching canned newscasts on most of your tv news. At least 80% of what you read or see is biased opinions of commentators who are hired because they cover the news the way their management wants them to. Get a real life and find out what is really happening for yourself.
Your investments need to include what they consider a hedge against this, and this means putting some of it into something substantial, possibly a precious metal which will only increase in value when the paper money becomes nothing. The government is even considering a way to symbolize that the currency is healthy by buying up enough platinum to make a huge trillion dollar coin and keep it on hand. Australia has a million dollar gold coin, and the platinum coin would be many times bigger and heavier and suppose to convince even the most sceptical of critics that the currency is sound. It's just a ploy to keep the house of cards propped up as long as possible, so don't be fooled. If they actually do it, it just shows how desperate the government is becoming in trying to make it seem that everything is fine. I mean, what's the point of making a coin of that cost and size if it never can be spent?
I've registered with various groups and interests online, from Stansberry & Associates (where I get financial news daily) to the Tea Party and Conservative Parties, and that means I get roughly 30 additional emails under two accounts daily. These are very informative, and I read the ones that get my attention. I can't afford to contribute to many of their drives, but I take part in their polls and drives to let the members of Congress know what I think and how I feel about issues. In other words, though I can't get out and about, I am more involved and more concerned now than I was when I was younger.
I've taken time to study the history of Socialism and follow the argument trail of why it cannot succeed and has always failed, at least in part, and had to give way to some form of capitalism to manage to get by, and I have tried to show some socialists that they have serious problems with the whole model of what they think the ideal government should be, only to be put down for daring to say anything at all against it. Explains my attitude towards hecklers in general, which is that they never bother to check the facts first, so when they speak out, all you get is hot air and heated personal opinions.
I am just trying to give one or two of you the idea that maybe you should not wait to get in line for what is coming, but widen your horizons and intake, like get on mailing lists, and then find out what is really going on. You are not going to get the real scoop from newspapers or watching canned newscasts on most of your tv news. At least 80% of what you read or see is biased opinions of commentators who are hired because they cover the news the way their management wants them to. Get a real life and find out what is really happening for yourself.
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oldefoxx
Shooter
I spoke earlier on the matter of "you can't count on the military joining you" if you decide you need to rebel against the government in power. That is true even if the military leadership itself were to rebel against the party in power. You should be glad of the latter, because we don't want to see a military junta take control of our country.
In fact, you don't want an armed rebellion at all. That just gives them an excuse to kill you, maim you, or jail you for a long, long time. No, what you want to do is conduct a peaceful and civil rebellion, one where you quit doing your job even though you may show up for work or plead an illness, you might abandon your car which is out of gas in the middle of an intersection or interstate, you place yourself in a group of people who are blocking streets and buildings where the government goes to work, or you allow your PC to become part of a network where it interferes with the running of the Internet. You don't fight back, you just get in the way as best you can without striking out at others yourself. Riots fail because they become beligerant and people get tired of them and leave. You have to be there and stick it out. What's the point of occupying a park somewhere, where all you can do is demonstrate and hear someone mouth off about things as they see it? If you are out of touch with the flow of government, nothing is getting done. You are having no impact.
My goal in owning a gun is to protect me and mine from robbery, being killed, or whatever. That's here where I live. I've no plan to become part of an armed effort to overthrow the present government, even though I wish it would go away. I have no plans on breaking ranks from my community and go attempt some sort of individual survivor effort on my own.
When (and I don't mean "if") things come apart, I will likely lose the battle to stay alive because food and my meds will not be available. I have to accept that, and I have. Just as you have to accept that if you want to bring the government down and begin anew, some people are going to die in the effort, and you can't fight back. Ghandi showed India how to do it, and it has been tried here, but those that rebel have always just given up at some point. They are too needful in getting their lives back just for themselves, so they just turn away after a time of it. Or they give up when the weather turns bad. You think the Occupy movement will be back this summer? Or has everybody gone on to something else?
In fact, you don't want an armed rebellion at all. That just gives them an excuse to kill you, maim you, or jail you for a long, long time. No, what you want to do is conduct a peaceful and civil rebellion, one where you quit doing your job even though you may show up for work or plead an illness, you might abandon your car which is out of gas in the middle of an intersection or interstate, you place yourself in a group of people who are blocking streets and buildings where the government goes to work, or you allow your PC to become part of a network where it interferes with the running of the Internet. You don't fight back, you just get in the way as best you can without striking out at others yourself. Riots fail because they become beligerant and people get tired of them and leave. You have to be there and stick it out. What's the point of occupying a park somewhere, where all you can do is demonstrate and hear someone mouth off about things as they see it? If you are out of touch with the flow of government, nothing is getting done. You are having no impact.
My goal in owning a gun is to protect me and mine from robbery, being killed, or whatever. That's here where I live. I've no plan to become part of an armed effort to overthrow the present government, even though I wish it would go away. I have no plans on breaking ranks from my community and go attempt some sort of individual survivor effort on my own.
When (and I don't mean "if") things come apart, I will likely lose the battle to stay alive because food and my meds will not be available. I have to accept that, and I have. Just as you have to accept that if you want to bring the government down and begin anew, some people are going to die in the effort, and you can't fight back. Ghandi showed India how to do it, and it has been tried here, but those that rebel have always just given up at some point. They are too needful in getting their lives back just for themselves, so they just turn away after a time of it. Or they give up when the weather turns bad. You think the Occupy movement will be back this summer? Or has everybody gone on to something else?
FrankT
6.8 SPCII Hog Slayer
Yep read all that too, you know we can read, right?? and are more versatile than here on a just on a gun forum...what you type is not near as effective as doing the research and getting it yourself without the personal spin, RIGHT??
The 2nd Amendment is not the there to protect you from robbery and home invasions but to protect this nation from a tyrannical Government and foreign invaders. Take the guns from the people and you become sheeple. See how short, sweet and concise makes for a better read?
The 2nd Amendment is not the there to protect you from robbery and home invasions but to protect this nation from a tyrannical Government and foreign invaders. Take the guns from the people and you become sheeple. See how short, sweet and concise makes for a better read?
oldefoxx
Shooter
I don't know what people read any more than you do. I do know that we are turning out fewer readers in our school system, and that what they teach now is nothing like what we learned when we were younger. You always make these big assumptions when you are really only speaking your own notions of how things are. Personal opinions count, but not when they go against facts in evidence. That's what is wrong with trial by a jury of peers. Get one on that jury that comes up with a personal opinion and ignores the facts, and you have a hung jury. Remind me never to recommend you for jury duty.
What we need instead is trial by science and technology. What you see today is the prosecutors and defense lawyers trying to rope in enough experts to quickly educate the jury members in enough science to reach a correct or preferred decision. Hey, just get the experts to decide the matter among themselves, then decide what to do with the outcome.
The 2nd Amendment was written at a time when rifles were on our side and muskets were on the other, and having just won a war of rebellion, we figured that was enough. But now the odds are heavily on the side of the military against all comers, and you must be blind to that to think your little bitty arms are going to make a difference in who wins. You are just going to get yourself outlawed and killed, which would be no great loss to me, but probably means something to someone else. Get smart, Frank. Learn to think things through. And don't mouth off until you have at least tried to think matters through. You are an embarrassment to yourself.
What we need instead is trial by science and technology. What you see today is the prosecutors and defense lawyers trying to rope in enough experts to quickly educate the jury members in enough science to reach a correct or preferred decision. Hey, just get the experts to decide the matter among themselves, then decide what to do with the outcome.
The 2nd Amendment was written at a time when rifles were on our side and muskets were on the other, and having just won a war of rebellion, we figured that was enough. But now the odds are heavily on the side of the military against all comers, and you must be blind to that to think your little bitty arms are going to make a difference in who wins. You are just going to get yourself outlawed and killed, which would be no great loss to me, but probably means something to someone else. Get smart, Frank. Learn to think things through. And don't mouth off until you have at least tried to think matters through. You are an embarrassment to yourself.
FrankT
6.8 SPCII Hog Slayer
Sir you are truly an embarrassment to yourself....Obviously you have never read it...the 2nd or are so into yourself that you think you know it all. I vote you the most into himself, disrespectful and condescending poster on the forum....
oldefoxx
Shooter
Frank, I'm a bit tired of trying to nurse you into thinking like an adult. Your years as a whatever have sunk in too deep. I've read the Second Amendment many times, and there you go again, making assumptions without anything to base them on. You are tiring, sir, and a waste of my time. But i suppose I will have to endure you for the sake of others.
dogamus rex
Master
just because your paranoid doesn't mean someones not out to get you.
oldefoxx
Shooter
Especially if they make it obvious, right?
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