Mom tased and arrested for not wearing a mask at her child's sports game

[Fear21]

She might have been doing nothing wrong but when asked to leave you leave. At that point she was trespassing. You're in walmart. They ask you to leave. You say you've done nothing wrong, and you haven't. Pick your fight. You are now trespassing and the same incident can ensue.
It's the same as people here selling items and putting up disclaimers about who they want to deal with. It doesn't matter what you've done or what you haven't. She could have been handing out 100 dollar bills. She was asked to leave and refused, then resisted.
Besides the getting arrested, let's talk about the other lady, because what she is doing to the officer should have never taken place. Hope they charge her.

I work with LE daily and reviewing uses of force is part of my job. Normally I'd agree with you, but the circumstances here were different. If you're being a jerk and are asked to leave but don't, then yes, at that point you are trespassing. Being asked to leave at that point is a lawful command and resisting said command is grounds for action by officers, up to and including arrest. You'll get no argument from me there. She was sitting on the bleachers, socially distanced, with her own family and affecting nobody else around her. She was attending a public event and broke no law, edict, ordinance, so on and so forth, and thus there was no reason to forcibly remove her. The officer should have known this and informed the school officials, yet she was cuffed, forced down, drive stunned and then hauled out.

She did pick her fight, and I'm glad she did. This country needs more people like her right now because this ridiculous mask charade and the draconian enforcement of it are the least of our concerns at this point. Like I said, I hope the school and Logan PD are ready to pony up because any lawyer worth his salt will take one look at this and eviscerate them both.

 

[fl57caveman]

I work with LE daily and reviewing uses of force is part of my job. Normally I'd agree with you, but the circumstances here were different. If you're being a jerk and are asked to leave but don't, then yes, at that point you are trespassing. Being asked to leave at that point is a lawful command and resisting said command is grounds for action by officers, up to and including arrest. You'll get no argument from me there. She was sitting on the bleachers, socially distanced, with her own family and affecting nobody else around her. She was attending a public event and broke no law, edict, ordnance, so on and so forth, and thus there was no reason to forcibly remove her. The officer should have known this and informed the school officials, yet she was cuffed, forced down, drive stunned and then hauled out.

She did pick her fight, and I'm glad she did. This country needs more people like her right now because this ridiculous mask charade and the draconian enforcement of it are the least of our concerns at this point. Like I said, I hope the school and Logan PD are ready to pony up because any lawyer worth his salt will take one look at this and eviscerate them both.

yeah. what he said

 

[stage20]

I work with LE daily and reviewing uses of force is part of my job. Normally I'd agree with you, but the circumstances here were different. If you're being a jerk and are asked to leave but don't, then yes, at that point you are trespassing. Being asked to leave at that point is a lawful command and resisting said command is grounds for action by officers, up to and including arrest. You'll get no argument from me there. She was sitting on the bleachers, socially distanced, with her own family and affecting nobody else around her. She was attending a public event and broke no law, edict, ordnance, so on and so forth, and thus there was no reason to forcibly remove her. The officer should have known this and informed the school officials, yet she was cuffed, forced down, drive stunned and then hauled out.

She did pick her fight, and I'm glad she did. This country needs more people like her right now because this ridiculous mask charade and the draconian enforcement of it are the least of our concerns at this point. Like I said, I hope the school and Logan PD are ready to pony up because any lawyer worth his salt will take one look at this and eviscerate them both.

Keep mentioning the mask. Take the mask out of the equation. She was asked to leave and didn't. How else are you going to get her to leave if she won't? Force!

 

[Fear21]

Keep mentioning the mask. Take the mask out of the equation. She was asked to leave and didn't. How else are you going to get her to leave if she won't? Force!

Not the best argument. Take the mask out of the equation and you have school officials demanding a woman be removed because she’s sitting on a bench doing nothing. Officer Friendly manhandles the woman and drive stuns her for no reason. Not a good use of force.

 

[SAWMAN]

IMO the term pigs or piggies to describe cops in general is insulting to the vast majority of the great cops that we have coming to work and doing their job everyday. The ones that actually care about the people that they police. The ones that treat us,our wives,daughters,grandmothers,in the manner that they should be treated.
Ask the cop that treated this soccer mom so badly if he would want his mother,wife,grandmother,DAUGHTER,treated in this fashion. Even if she told a cop to "fuck off". A "YES" would be a lie.
Personally,I would never use the above term to refer to a law enforcement officer. Even the ones that I do not care for. It is more to do with respect for the profession than the individual. ---- SAWMAN

 

[SAWMAN]

Ask Walmart corporate - - -> if I were asked to leave and I did not would the manager want a taser used on me,my wife,my daughter.
In the vid,looked like the school official was good with it. Someone probably needs to ask for a comment from the school board,with a camera rolling.
Well . . What do you all think ?? Maybe if this were your 16 year old daughter or 82 year old grandmother ??
And please don't insult us with - - -> "Yeah,but my grandma or daughter would jump up and leave when asked". That is about as lame as it gets. ---- SAWMAN

 

[FLT]

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looks to be the “weapon of war” a Democrat would own huh?? I’m a dem though right?? I must be doing it wrong

Looks brand new and unfired, hmmm .

 

[Jpyritz]

Hey I’m gonna be “that guy”, imagine if this woman’s skin would have been darker? To me even if she was black it was still completely bogus and I would still stand behind her as I do this woman. But can you just imagine the hell storm that would have followed from the media, celebs, the presidential candidates, the al sharptons of the world. BLM would have swarmed that city and burned half of it down. The cop would have been fired and awaiting charges from the DA. But because this woman is white, she is called a “Karen” a “Bitch”, and not from the normal Twitter trolls but from members on this site. Can we not see the double standards that are being forced on us right now? And the sad sick thing is we are allowing it. Those with power do the same damn thing all the time! Hell we have that o e video also. I didn’t see ol Nancy getting tased. Damn she blamed it on someone else. What about coumo? Or lightfoot? Or the any of the others that spit in the faces of us normal middle class folk. This is plain sick. I don’t care who you are. But day after day after day we see on the news and the inter webs good folks are the ones being shit on daily while the criminals get away with actual murder! All while the cops stand down. Good cops need to step up, bad ones need to be thrown to the wayside. Or we are gonna be the ones that are in the streets fighting to just survive in what we once called a free country. It’s not white or black it’s class warfare.

 

[Jpyritz]

Looks brand new and unfired, hmmm .

Just well cleaned! New bolt only has 100 rounds on it. Upper has about 1400.

 

[Jpyritz]

They all get through deep cleanings

 

[Snake-Eyes]

I honestly don't get it.

This woman did nothing wrong to deserve a LEO in her face.
This woman gave what should've been an "end of discussion" LEGAL reason for that LEO to back off and take the vulture school admin with him.

For me, any ensuing events are the equivalent of "fruit from the poisonous tree". Just like the person who starts a fistfight doesn't get to claim self-defense after they shoot the other guy before the other guy cleans that person's clock. This LEO brought the "resisting arrest" on himself when he forcibly tried to remove a citizen from somewhere that Citizen had every legal right to be.

We could argue the semantics of "just do what they say and make your case in Court", but everyone has a line of how much authoritarian overreach they will endure. This woman was at hers.

For better or worse, it caused a good amount of discussion amongst the rest of us.

I have a better idea of where my line is, and it saddens me to think that everyday LEO are getting more and more comfortable creeping closer and closer to it.

 

[SAWMAN]

I really hate to say this,but it is what I actually believe.
There will come a day that the bad cops and the politicians that control them will have to be fought/engaged. At that point/by that time the good cops will not have detached themselves from the bad. When that day comes,to the average citizen that has had their fill of abuse,the good and bad cops will be lumped together. The citizens will be forced to fight them all. The citizens will win at a extremely high cost.
At this point/time in history,how does the average citizen get treated fairly . . . BY FORCE. Things have gone too far. There is no turning back now. If the authorities will not treat every individual American with respect and dignity it will be taken by force.
Cops have never come across a heavily armed mob before. It will be an extremely sad day in American history.
It will not be like fighting the thugs wanting to score a big screen TV,or a pair of sneekers,or several sets of fake eyelashes. The citizens that the cops will have to fight will be the citizens actually fighting for their very existance and the dignaty of their family.
It will be ugly. SAD FOR SURE !! --- SAWMAN

 

[skyydiver]

On the trespass situation, I’m curious. A school is a public place, not private property. I get that for too many years the law has treated them as something other than that, but in reality... does the athletic director of a school football team have the same right to “trespass” a citizen in a public place that a homeowner has on private property? Who else can make that call? Since trespass is the “crime” here, how does that really legally apply to a public place? I wonder if the court’s interpretation will agree with the cop’s.


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[LearnEveryDay]

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looks to be the “weapon of war” a Democrat would own huh?? I’m a dem though right?? I must be doing it wrong

Nice!

 

[stage20]

Not the best argument. Take the mask out of the equation and you have school officials demanding a woman be removed because she’s sitting on a bench doing nothing. Officer Friendly manhandles the woman and drive stuns her for no reason. Not a good use of force.

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to figure out a way to communicate my side of the story.
Remove the mask, the school, the kids. Said person doesn't want this lady on the property because he doesn't like her upper lip. She's done nothing wrong, but asked to leave. She didn't. She fought with a cop.

Another situation is in a movie theater. You're just watching a movie and asked to leave for no reason. I'd tell them to F off too but if the cop showed up you wouldn't even have to escort me, let alone have a struggle. I don't want any trouble.

I'm not saying cops should run over everyone for no reason, but they way y'all are in an uproar it seems like the cop saw the lady without a mask on and just dropped out of the sky and started tasing. It wasn't even a long tase you see in some other videos.

 

[Jpyritz]

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to figure out a way to communicate my side of the story.
Remove the mask, the school, the kids. Said person doesn't want this lady on the property because he doesn't like her upper lip. She's done nothing wrong, but asked to leave. She didn't. She fought with a cop.

Another situation is in a movie theater. You're just watching a movie and asked to leave for no reason. I'd tell them to F off too but if the cop showed up you wouldn't even have to escort me, let alone have a struggle. I don't want any trouble.

I'm not saying cops should run over everyone for no reason, but they way y'all are in an uproar it seems like the cop saw the lady without a mask on and just dropped out of the sky and started tasing. It wasn't even a long tase you see in some other videos.

And I think that is where we are trying to communicate our side. If the mask thing was never a thing and wasn’t given so much credence then none of this would have even started. I agree if I’m on property and you don’t like my upper lip and tell me to leave, then you have that right, but this woman was on a public school funded by taxpayers and if the mask was never a thing she would have just been another mom watching her kid play ball. The mask is the whole issue in the story. It all falls on the mask. What if anything could be taken from the video or the situation if masks weren’t a thing that any school administrator would have asked her to leave if the first place? I’m agreeing to a point with you to find common ground here.

 

[stage20]

And I think that is where we are trying to communicate our side. If the mask thing was never a thing and wasn’t given so much credence then none of this would have even started. I agree if I’m on property and you don’t like my upper lip and tell me to leave, then you have that right, but this woman was on a public school funded by taxpayers and if the mask was never a thing she would have just been another mom watching her kid play ball. The mask is the whole issue in the story. It all falls on the mask. What if anything could be taken from the video or the situation if masks weren’t a thing that any school administrator would have asked her to leave if the first place? I’m agreeing to a point with you to find common ground here.

I see your point, but don't agree with me if you don't. Lol.
There is just a whole lot going on in this story. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Regardless of how you feel about the mask issue, her friend should have never touched that officer. Major problem there if she isn't charged with something.

 

[Fear21]

I see your point, but don't agree with me if you don't. Lol.
There is just a whole lot going on in this story. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Regardless of how you feel about the mask issue, her friend should have never touched that officer. Major problem there if she isn't charged with something.

Not really a whole lot going on. She's at a public event hosted by a public school, which is a government entity and is subject to Ohio state law / EOs / mandates, so on. She has a medical exemption and was still following state mandated distancing protocols. She was not in violation of anything else nor committing any crimes. The medical exemption should've been enough for this entire thing to go away, but evidently the school officials pushed it. The officer didn't know his policies enough to be able to tell the school officials "too bad" (or, even worse, he ignored them) and we got this incident.

Said person doesn't want this lady on the property because he doesn't like her upper lip. She's done nothing wrong, but asked to leave. She didn't. She fought with a cop.

It's not that I even necessarily disagree with you as far as trespassing, stage. It's just this particular situation - it doesn't fly. It was excessive force to end an incident that shouldn't have even happened in the first place. All that said, I agree, it's going to be interesting to see where this goes.

 

[Jpyritz]

I see your point, but don't agree with me if you don't. Lol.
There is just a whole lot going on in this story. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Regardless of how you feel about the mask issue, her friend should have never touched that officer. Major problem there if she isn't charged with something.

I agree with you in the point of you telling me you don’t want me on your property cause of my upper lip lol. I don’t like it to much either, not on the mask or the public property. Finding common ground friend. I too am interested in the outcome.

 

[Raven]

I honestly don't get it.

This woman did nothing wrong to deserve a LEO in her face.
This woman gave what should've been an "end of discussion" LEGAL reason for that LEO to back off and take the vulture school admin with him.

For me, any ensuing events are the equivalent of "fruit from the poisonous tree". Just like the person who starts a fistfight doesn't get to claim self-defense after they shoot the other guy before the other guy cleans that person's clock. This LEO brought the "resisting arrest" on himself when he forcibly tried to remove a citizen from somewhere that Citizen had every legal right to be.

We could argue the semantics of "just do what they say and make your case in Court", but everyone has a line of how much authoritarian overreach they will endure. This woman was at hers.

For better or worse, it caused a good amount of discussion amongst the rest of us.

I have a better idea of where my line is, and it saddens me to think that everyday LEO are getting more and more comfortable creeping closer and closer to it.

I'm waiting for some big-shot talking head to draw the correlation between her and Rosa Parks. Then the mask, kitty litter and shit will all hit the fan together