Follow up to 23yo being Denied gun purchase

[F4E Phantom]

8 pages of previous discussion-wow
Father is not going to purchase, period. Good
Son is now worried about untruthful answer on 4473.
Son wanted ccw carry b/c he drives one of those Dodge muscle cars that are often stolen.
The untrue answer was the mental health one.
He WAS in a facility 3 separate times. 5 years ago in California. He guessed he was in the clear. We appreciate all the helpful comments. You guys are great.

 

[RHINOWSO]

Straight from the Form 8 he signed, right above his signature which he should have read before he signed it.

"I certify that my answers in Section B are true, correct, and complete. I have read and understand the Notices, Instructions, and Definitions on ATF Form 4473. I understand that answering “yes” to question 21.a. if I am not the actual transferee/buyer is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to any of the questions 21.b. through 21.m. is prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to question 21.n.1. is prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm, unless the person answers “yes” to question 21.n.2. and provides the documentation required in 26.d. I also understand that making any false oral or written statement, or exhibiting any false or misrepresented identification with respect to this transaction, is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I further understand that the repetitive purchase of firearms for the purpose of resale to predominantly earn a profit without a Federal firearms license is a violation of Federal law."

 

[RHINOWSO]

Son is now worried about untruthful answer on 4473 - He should be.
Son wanted ccw carry b/c he drives one of those Dodge muscle cars that are often stolen - Sounds like a 'good boy' alright... Not.

 

[ChrisC]

So.. the kid wants a CCW to protect a property from being stolen. The kid needs mentorship from a wiser person.

 

[RHINOWSO]

At least you prevented the father from committing a felony; but if he changes his mind and buys the gun for the kid, maybe they could room together in the slammer????

 

[Kduly]

Excellent decision by the father.
Being committed 3 separate occasions, still on medication, the 4473 issues and his reasoning for the ccw is to protect his Dodge... that's A LOT to unpack here.

 

[BluesBrother]

The kid was asking the father to commit a felony. My kid would never ask me to do that. However, anyone that would is only thinking about what their wants are and not considering the outcome for the father. I wonder if the kid considered buying transportation that was not as vulnerable before asking the father to break the law on his behalf.

 

[RHINOWSO]

Makes you wonder how a kid with mental issues affords a Dodge muscle sports car at 23...

This has all the signs of stoooopid written all over it...

 

[Bowhntr6pt]

Lying on a 4473?

LOL... not an enforcement priority. No reason to believe the numbers today are any better than they were back when this video was made.

ETA- excuses include not enough agents, not enough time, not enough money, sentences are mild, basically the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

[F4E Phantom]

Makes you wonder how a kid with mental issues affords a Dodge muscle sports car at 23...

This has all the signs of stoooopid written all over it...

Dad bought it for him. Parents will do anything for their kids……

 

[Duckyou]

Dad bought it for him. Parents will do anything for their kids……

Buying someone a Dodge, sounds like a pretty good punishment.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Buying someone a Dodge, sounds like a pretty good punishment.

A Neon maybe...

 

[RHINOWSO]

Dad bought it for him. Parents will do anything for their kids……

Well, I think we see the problem with 'lil johnny'.

Helicopter parents, giving him too much free stuff.

Parents should do anything for their children; however some of the stuff you 'do' for them is unpleasant - ie, discipline, consequences for their actions, and all that.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Dad bought it for him. Parents will do anything for their kids……

My Dad must not have loved me. I had junky death traps that required a tetnus booster!

 

[RHINOWSO]

My Dad must not have loved me. I had junky death traps that required a tetnus booster!

Lol, one of my friends cars growing up had rust on the bottom (from the midwest, salt on the roads in the winter, all that) and a nice hole in the floor on the front passenger side seat. You could see the road go by and over time it got bigger (think ping pong sized hole, eventually a softball and larger), before we rigged up some metal patchwork over it. It the summer it was nice, more air flow through the car (A/C didn't work, so windows down all the time), winter it was the cold draft you despised

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Lol, one of my friends cars growing up had rust on the bottom (from the midwest, salt on the roads in the winter, all that) and a nice hole in the floor on the front passenger side seat. You could see the road go by and over time it got bigger (think ping pong sized hole, eventually a softball and larger), before we rigged up some metal patchwork over it. It the summer it was nice, more air flow through the car (A/C didn't work, so windows down all the time), winter it was the cold draft you despised

Yep, done that, good place for beer cans...

 

[Kduly]

Dad bought it for him. Parents will do anything for their kids……

This ^ maybe the contributing factor. Personal responsibility will have to be a reality at some point of this young man's future. I hope he chooses wisely.

 

[BluesBrother]

There is a reason mental issues don't pass on 4473. This will not end well if the father gives in and buys the kid a gun.

 

[F4E Phantom]

There is a reason mental issues don't pass on 4473. This will not end well if the father gives in and buys the kid a gun.

Father is pissed about not being truthful on form. Its safe to say he won’t be buying anything for kid.

 

[Ozymandias]

At least you prevented the father from committing a felony; but if he changes his mind and buys the gun for the kid, maybe they could room together in the slammer????

might make the "midnight train" a little awkward