Vaccine mandate

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Hitch length ?

60- 90+

 

[maxfold]

Lot of time on water , luck out there .

 

[M60Gunner]

Philly using COVID to shut down the permitting process

Philadelphia faces lawsuit for closing gun permit unit

The city of Philadelphia is shutting down its gun permit unit due to coronavirus concerns; Gun rights activist Colion Noir reacts on ‘Fox & Friends.’

www.yahoo.com

 

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[M60Gunner]

Interesting link from earlier in the plandemic

70% Depopulation of the US Predicted by 2025 - LewRockwell

Many people are asking, what is the endgame of this contrived coronavirus epidemic? What is government attempting to accomplish? Complete control of individuals? Total destruction of private enterprise? Abolishment of Constitution protections? Foment racial discord? Outlaw guns? Demolish...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[FrommerStop]

Science Magazine - November 27, 2020 - Public needs to prep for vaccine side effects (sciencemagazinedigital.org)

IN DEPTH | COVID-19

Public needs to prep for vaccine side effects
IN SECTION: IN DEPTH | COVID-19

“Take Tylenol and suck it up,” says one researcher. Fever, aches show vaccine works
By Meredith Wadman
This summer, computational biologist Luke Hutchison volunteered for a trial of Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine. But after the second injection, his arm swelled up to the size of a “goose egg,” Hutchison says. He can’t be sure he got the vaccine and not a placebo, but within a few hours, Hutchison, who was healthy and 43, was beset by bone and muscle aches and a 38.9°C fever. “I started shaking. I had cold and hot rushes,” he says. ” was sitting by the phone all night long thinking: ‘Should I call 911?’”
Hutchison’s symptoms resolved after 12 hours. But, he says, “Nobody prepared me for the severity of this.”
He says the public should be better prepared than he was, because a subset of people may face intense, if transient, side effects, called reactogenicity, from Moderna’s vaccine. Some health experts agree.
“Somebody needs to address the elephant: What about vaccine reactogenicity? While it’s … not going to cause any long-term issues … how is that perception going to go with the public once they start receiving it?” asks Deborah Fuller, a vaccinologist at the University of Washington, Seattle, whose lab is developing second-generation RNA vaccines against COVID-19. She worries the side effects could feed vaccine hesitancy. “I feel like it’s being glossed over.”
Those concerns arise after a week of good news about coronavirus vaccines: Both Moderna and Pfizer, with BioNTech, announced their messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines reached 95% efficacy in clinical trials of tens of thousands of people. The firms added that the trials showed no serious safety concerns.
Both vaccines consist of a snippet of genetic code directing production of the corona-virus’ spike protein, delivered in a tiny fat bubble called a lipid nanoparticle. Some researchers suspect the immune system’s response to that delivery vehicle is causing the short-term side effects.
Those transient reactions should not dissuade people from getting vaccinated in the face of a pandemic virus that kills at least one in 200 of those it infects, says Florian Krammer, a vaccinologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who participated in Pfizer’s trial. Sore arms, fevers, and fatigue are “unpleasant but not dangerous,” he says. I’m not concerned about [reactogenicity] at all.”
Most people will escape “severe” side effects, defined as those that prevent daily activity. Fewer than 2% of recipients of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines developed severe fevers of 39°C to 40°C. But if the companies win regulatory approvals, they’re aiming to supply vaccine to 35 million people worldwide by the end of December. If 2% experienced severe fever, that would be 700,000 people.

Other transient side effects would likely affect even more people. The independent board that conducted the interim analysis of Moderna’s huge trial found that severe side effects included fatigue in 9.7% of participants, muscle pain in 8.9%, joint pain in 5.2%, and headache in 4.5%. In the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine trial, the numbers were lower: Severe side effects included fatigue (3.8%) and headache (2%).

But that’s a higher rate of severe reactions than people may be accustomed to. “This is higher reactogenicity than is ordinarily seen with most flu vaccines, even the high-dose ones,” says Arnold Monto, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

So front-line public health workers will need “to have a story that gets out in front of [stories like Hutchison’s]—that responds to the way that people are going to try to make that a story about vaccine injury,” says Bernice Hausman, an expert on vaccine controversy at the Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine.

Transparency is key, Hausman emphasizes. Rather than minimizing the chance of fever, for instance, vaccine administrators could alert people that they may experience a fever that can feel severe but is temporary. “That would go a significant way toward people feeling like they are being told the truth.” Adds Drew Weissman, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania whose research contributed to both vaccines: “The companies just have to warn people: ‘This is what you need to expect. Take Tylenol and suck it up for a day.’”

Hausman also sees a need to support people who have serious reactions. For example, people may need ” hotline with a nurse triaging … figuring out if you need to go to the hospital or not. Will your medical expenses be covered if you do? These are important questions.”

Both Moderna’s and Pfizer/BioNTech’s vaccines require two doses separated by several weeks. Reactogenicity is typically higher after a second dose, Weissman says. The side effects “mean the vaccine is working well. … [It] means you had such a good immune response to the first dose and now you are seeing the effects of that,” he says.

“We suspect the lipid nanoparticle causes the reactogenicity, because lipid nanoparticles without mRNA in them do the same thing in animals,” Weissman says. “We see production, in the muscle, of inflammatory mediators that cause pain, [redness], swelling, fever, flulike symptoms, etc.”

Hutchison hopes better vaccines are on the way. Still, he says, “Given that COVID can kill or incapacitate people, everybody should bite the bullet and expect a rough night. … Get lots of naproxen.”

Science’s COVID-19 reporting is supported by the Pulitzer Center and the Heising-Simons Foundation.

 

[FrommerStop]

It is a form of molecular engineering. No DNA, the material of chromosomes, is used here so the injected material should be temporary, but I am not sure. It is messenger RNA according the report that is injected in the human and ends up inside human cells. For it to work it has to become associated with what are called ribosomes, the correct enzymes etc, and amino acids modified for protein synthesis.

Biology 101: showing how a peptide (future spike protein) is made in the cell. It is these spike proteins that elicit the immune response that are made. It is only the mRNA that is injected according to the article.

 

[Carl]

Don't worry, Wikipedia debunked it.

 

[FrommerStop]

Don't worry, Wikipedia debunked it.

The article is in Science magazine, the premier publication in the USA for general science topics. Wikipedia is not peer reviewed and wikipedia will not likely dare to contradict such an article without some very good evidence.

Science, also widely referred to as Science Magazine,[2] is the peer-reviewed academic journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science[3][4] (AAAS) and one of the world's top academic journals.[5][6] It was first published in 1880, is currently circulated weekly and has a subscriber base of around 130,000. Because institutional subscriptions and online access serve a larger audience, its estimated readership is 570,400 people.[7]

The major focus of the journal is publishing important original scientific research and research reviews, but Science also publishes science-related news, opinions on science policy and other matters of interest to scientists and others who are concerned with the wide implications of science and technology. Unlike most scientific journals, which focus on a specific field, Science and its rival Nature cover the full range of scientific disciplines. According to the Journal Citation Reports, Science's 2019 impact factor was 41.845.[8]

 

[Famine]

If you reject the vacine will you also reject medical care if you or those close to you become infected and ill?

 

[FrommerStop]

If you reject the vacine will you also reject medical care if you or those close to you become infected and ill?

It seems to me that this vaccine might kill some people. It is only small percentage of people that actually will die from covid 19. How does that rate compare to that of the vaccines.
It will go up before the courts for sure.

 

[Ricochet]

Not me kind Sir. I will take to the woods off grid. I am prepared for this. It will only give me extra time though. This is being played out right in front of us. Every knee will bend and every head will bow. That will be too late. This life is only a test. Some people pass the test and some won't. Its just like school. The word has been preached across the continent. No excuses will be heard. You have been given the option. He says you are either for me or against me. Simple as that. When the world really starts to go into a tailspin I will be away from everyone for that short time before his coming. I only will regret not able to see the faces on people, crying and asking for forgiveness. It will be a little too late !

Amen, my brother.

 

[Ricochet]

If you reject the vacine will you also reject medical care if you or those close to you become infected and ill?

Of course!I worked for the political hospital corporation and know an ER doctor insider.
That is the last place I will go.

 

[MauserLarry]

Interesting link from earlier in the plandemic

70% Depopulation of the US Predicted by 2025 - LewRockwell

Many people are asking, what is the endgame of this contrived coronavirus epidemic? What is government attempting to accomplish? Complete control of individuals? Total destruction of private enterprise? Abolishment of Constitution protections? Foment racial discord? Outlaw guns? Demolish...

www.lewrockwell.com

I have read the Deagel report. Makes no mention of where all these people will disappear too. Unless they have a time machine they don't know either. I will carry on till the big disappearance day arrives.

 

[Carl]

The article is in Science magazine, the premier publication in the USA for general science topics. Wikipedia is not peer reviewed and wikipedia will not likely dare to contradict such an article without some very good evidence.

I was being sarcastic, guess I should have made it more obvious.

 

[ELite89]

I drew my line at the mask and lost two jobs for refusing to wear it.
I have been saying since they did this; it is the Mask of the Beast.
My husband didn't believe me back then, he does now!
Grooming us for the Mark of the Beast for sure!

That’s what all this crap has been... grooming us.

The hypocrisy is completely hysterical. On one issue the approach is “my body, my choice” but then turn around and want to “enforce mandatory vaccination”.

The whole “sheeple” effect is bewildering. I stop at a red light and the guy in the car beside me has a mask on INSIDE his car. ‍
People blindly following everything that political parties and mainstream media push.

 

[Ricochet]

That’s what all this crap has been... grooming us.

The hypocrisy is completely hysterical. On one issue the approach is “my body, my choice” but then turn around and want to “enforce mandatory vaccination”.

The whole “sheeple” effect is bewildering. I stop at a red light and the guy in the car beside me has a mask on INSIDE his car. ‍
People blindly following everything that political parties and mainstream media push.

Absolutely.
"Without a double standard liberals have no standards" .

The "sheeple", the "normies", are the ones that are going to bring this great country down.

Look how quickly many in several gun forums - OF ALL places! - have conceded the election to Biden. Speaking as if he is President and it is all over when the legal process hasn't even reached the 11th hour.

Just spreading demoralizing propaganda.
My husband and I both find this disheartening.
He has already stopped posting in the 1911forum.

 

[M60Gunner]

https://archive.is/z7WjA

This article was taken down but luckily it was archived.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Heres how they are going to force you to get it..... Ready? Your health insurance will say they are NOT going to pay for any "covid-hoax" related treatment and you will have to pay it out of pocket if YOU DON'T GET THE VACCINATION.

 

[Ricochet]

Heres how they are going to force you to get it..... Ready? Your health insurance will say they are NOT going to pay for any "covid-hoax" related treatment and you will have to pay it out of pocket if YOU DON'T GET THE VACCINATION.

I did not think of that - that was similar to what they political administration in the hospital my husband's best friend works at did; they only approved the ventilator and even though our friend was "free" to prescribe HCQ , he risked losing his license and losing his job at the hospital and being sued.

I also expect my current employer will find a way to force the employees to be vaccinated.