Another School shooting....this one in FL

[wildrider666]

He wasn't the first man on the scene, he was the resource officer assigned to the school to PROTECT the children and failed, don't give him a way out with some procedure bullshit. Children were being shot and killed and for 4 minutes he hid behind a cement stair case outside, he's a coward that probably should have never been a cop.

Semantics. Stationed or arriving, it is still the first LE on site that can initiate action. As of yesterday we didn't have all the relevant information and there are allegations as I also stated. I framed it with variables including the possibility he froze, was scared or in shock. Thats not giving him a pass or excuses. IMHO

 

[blackhawk]

No,no,no,don't blame the FBI,or any of the local or semi local law enforcement agancies that was derelict in their duties. Oh . . . and don' you dare blame the parents that are raising these killer kids. Don't you dare accuse them of dereliction of THEIR duties to raise a good kid. I say . . . the #1 cause of these school shootings . . EXTREMELY BAD PARENTING !!
But hey,it's much easier to just blame the guns,NRA,existing gun laws,etc. ---- SAWMAN

I was thinking If the parents could be charged with a crime when there child takes one of the parents guns and commits a crime. That might help avoid the next school aged child from going off on his classmates, or at least motivate some parents to get help with troubled teens.

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[FLT]

There are already laws in place about securing firearms . We just need to enforce the laws we already have , not make new ones.

 

[Jeb21]

The absolute kick in the nuts about all of this is that now he has six cops guarding his house. Why should this man get better protection then the schoolchildren ever got?




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Police officers guard home of deputy assigned to Florida HS who ‘never went in’ during shooting: report"

No, they are protecting the community from itself and from any further violence.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

Governor Scott announces school safety plan - https://www.flgov.com/2018/02/23/go...ents-safe-following-tragic-parkland-shooting/

I'm so tired of the gun-grabbing Restraining Order wolf-in-sheep's-clothing. It's a needless foot-in-the-door. Same effect could've been already accomplished with existing laws if the involved parties had backbones.

Also, did the kid have any optics on the gun? High-cap mags? Pistol grip? Muzzle brake? Adjustable stock? Bayonet mount? Heck, Governor Grandpa, why don't you just ban those, too, along with the evil bumpstocks? We can then change the state's name to East California.

Seriously? This guy's knee-jerk "action plan" needs some cooler-heads to scrub it. WTF...

 

[Mouser]

Somewhere I heard, I think from a former state trooper of another state, that the police are not under any obligation to risk their lives, put their own health in front of another's or otherwise put themselves between a bullet and the victim.

Now that was a legal stance and obviously, you could not do your job if you were averse to dangerous situations...but this guy, when confronted with fight or flight, flew... got me thinking...I have a 9mm pistol, the perp a semi automatic AR...what do you do? Certainly not run and hide, and certainly not charge to your death. Circumstances will dictate your actions, but running and hiding is not one of them...so now what. I'll be following it because I actually think this guy might be on solid legal ground, though not moral high ground...didn't read in depth yet but my understanding is that he made no move to engage or disrupt the shooter...that is bad.

 

[SAWMAN]

I'll tell ya WTF to do. ADVANCE ON THE BG !! Do not stand flat footed in the middle of a wide open hallway and exchange gunfire with him.
Go from cover to cover to cover,etc. always advanceing your position,closing the distance. This . . . even if you suspect he is coming towards you.
Move laterally if possible. NEVER,EVER turn your back on the threat. Do not spray. Shoot at meat only. Shoot him to the ground and (IMO) then some.
These perps are chicken shits. For Christs sake . . . if someone would simply shoot back at them,chances are they would drop their weapon and run,or turn the weapon on themselves.
I would not even start to try to capture him. I want him dead. This will be my goal. People like this have been "studied" enough. They need to die.
THERE . . . EVERYONE UNDERSTAND MY POINT OF VIEW !! ---- SAWMAN

 

[Viking1204]

I was thinking If the parents could be charged with a crime when there child takes one of the parents guns and commits a crime. That might help avoid the next school aged child from going off on his classmates, or at least motivate some parents to get help with troubled teens.

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I've been saying this for a long time. There have been a lot of kids under the age of 18 who have murdered with guns they found in their homes. The adults who owned those guns should be charged with a felony. All my guns are stored in a safe and my sons won't ever know the combo, my house, my responsibility!

 

[Droshki]

The deputy's legal obligations are to me anyways, irrelevant.

He had a moral obligation to give his all to try to save those kids (and adults).

I can think of a dozen member on here right off the top of my head, that would not have hesitated a single moment to do so.

 

[Droshki]

Tangential to the discussion, this case definitely demonstrates a weakness in the argument for arming teachers. The shooter in this case had already fled the scene when the SWAT team went in. So imagine being an armed teacher and being the only one holding a weapon when the SWAT team comes around the corner. Can you drop it quick enough? I doubt it.

 

[wildrider666]

A clear, well presented, view: A Cure for Mass Shooting doesn't exist.

http://www.southernpartisan.com/a-cure-for-mass-shootings-doesnt-exist/

 

[Droshki]

A clear, well presented, view: A Cure for Mass Shooting doesn't exist.

http://www.southernpartisan.com/a-cure-for-mass-shootings-doesnt-exist/

This article recommends banning bump stocks, which would make criminals out of tens of thousands of Americans that own them, unless, what, they turn them in for confiscation? It omits this particular part.

And in the end how many crimes were they used in. One?

 

[Droshki]

I've been saying this for a long time. There have been a lot of kids under the age of 18 who have murdered with guns they found in their homes. The adults who owned those guns should be charged with a felony. All my guns are stored in a safe and my sons won't ever know the combo, my house, my responsibility!

I'm with FLT on this one. While I appreciate the sentiment,

1. There are already laws in place.

2. It's a slippery slope that could lead to prosecutions of parents that may also leave the car keys laying around, or the liquor cabinet unlocked.

 

[MAXman]

Dude I guess I'm a democrat after all. Because I'm definitely not in the same party as Marco Rubio and his mag cap idea, or Rick Scott and his increased age for purchase bs(now a 18 year old still has too register for selective service, but can't buy a 10/22), and sure as hell not sharing the ideas of Al Hoffman(if you haven't heard, I'll give you a hint: Australian style confiscation). I'm not surprised Trump is running the bump stock bs, he'll say anything for a like on twitter. Add all that to selective budget hardlining, and that's about the only two things keeping me with the party.

Oh, also, turns out Commi-fornia not only allows open carry BUT ALSO has provisions for teachers to carry at work. So there ya go, worse state as far as second amendment manages to beat Florida twice.

But hey, we still don't have state income tax.

 

[fl57caveman]

I'll tell ya WTF to do. ADVANCE ON THE BG !! Do not stand flat footed in the middle of a wide open hallway and exchange gunfire with him.
Go from cover to cover to cover,etc. always advanceing your position,closing the distance. This . . . even if you suspect he is coming towards you.
Move laterally if possible. NEVER,EVER turn your back on the threat. Do not spray. Shoot at meat only. Shoot him to the ground and (IMO) then some.
These perps are chicken shits. For Christs sake . . . if someone would simply shoot back at them,chances are they would drop their weapon and run,or turn the weapon on themselves.
I would not even start to try to capture him. I want him dead. This will be my goal. People like this have been "studied" enough. They need to die.
THERE . . . EVERYONE UNDERSTAND MY POINT OF VIEW !! ---- SAWMAN

shoot him til he quits moving....that is what larger mags are for....

 

[blackhawk]

It's just a conversation but, I am not suggesting new laws. That term used loosely. I am ready to hold parents accountable. My youngest is 19 and I am very proud of both my children. It was an adventure for sure that required me to stay in touch with their daily activities. I feel that some of the tragedy we see today is avoidable through parental involvement. I am responsible for my liquor cabinet, my firearms and my children's morals. The old 18 is the new 21 or so it would seem legally.

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[MAXman]

The problem is if the state starts further telling parents how to raise their kids(which is how many will take this) you're gonna get a lot of pushback.

Plus, as stated before, Cruz was adopted and his adopted parents passed away. Can't hold a grave responsible.

 

[fl57caveman]

lots to dig into

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.co...ederal-funding-mandates/#sthash.vtjdBKTZ.dpbs

 

[Droshki]

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.co...ederal-funding-mandates/#sthash.vtjdBKTZ.dpbs

So, cops are liers? Somebody fetch me my fainting couch.

 

[TK5o]

I have seen college cops look the other way because they were told to by higher ups because the perps parents were high dollar donors to the school. Im not talking a little pot either