WTH...Nobody had a rope, did they not pay the power bill??

[Rebel_Rider1969]

This is crazy...

Alabama is pausing executions after a 3rd failed lethal injection

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey sought a pause in executions and ordered a "top-to-bottom" review of the state's capital punishment system Monday after an unprecedented third failed lethal injection.

www.npr.org

 

[BluesBrother]

They have trouble finding a vein because of lymphoma, hepatitis and past drug use. The body is full of veins. Use another vein than in the arm. Legs have veins too. I've heard of drug addicts finding a vein between the toes. Come on, we can't find a vein? Than have at least one other alternate method of execution. How about electrocution, firing squad, as mentioned hanging, hemlock, drowning. Lets get 'er done.

 

[ccc]

.22 behind the ear, done deal, next, stack em like chord wood

 

[zdiver99]

All death row cells should be airtight. Then one night while the con is sleeping, replace the air with pure nitrogen. The con will never know when it is "time." Just my 2 cents worth

 

[BluesBrother]

.22 behind the ear, done deal, next, stack em like chord wood

The old Corleone family method works every time. Done with a revolver so brass pick up is not an issue.

 

[Raven]

As much as I like the prospect of a humane death for a trapped individual, the fact of the matter is that the death penalty needs to remain a painful public spectacle so as to deter crime. Hanging, firing squad, stoning... very effective

 

[fl57caveman]

any country vet could furnish the required chemicals..

 

[lil'skeet]

.22 behind the ear, done deal, next, stack em like chord wood

Worked great for Germans. $0.06 a piece is very cost effective too

 

[Carl]

Seems like a pretty simple thing but bureaucracy strikes again

 

[justapilgrim]

As much as I like the prospect of a humane death for a trapped individual, the fact of the matter is that the death penalty needs to remain a painful public spectacle so as to deter crime. Hanging, firing squad, stoning... very effective

Key word is Public...when an execution is scheduled all television shows nation wide are blacked out and the ugly truth is there for all to see. It might...just might make an impression and change a bad guy's wayward path.

 

[IronBeard]

As much as I like the prospect of a humane death for a trapped individual, the fact of the matter is that the death penalty needs to remain a painful public spectacle so as to deter crime. Hanging, firing squad, stoning... very effective

Always thought the execution should carried out in the same manner in which the crime was carried out.

 

[lil'skeet]

Key word is Public...when an execution is scheduled all television shows nation wide are blacked out and the ugly truth is there for all to see. It might...just might make an impression and change a bad guy's wayward path.

Pay per view. Let the $ go to victims family

 

[SUPERLITE69]

As much as I like the prospect of a humane death for a trapped individual, the fact of the matter is that the death penalty needs to remain a painful public spectacle so as to deter crime. Hanging, firing squad, stoning... very effective

FWIW, whilst I’m pro-death penalty, it’s merits, atleast as it stands now, as a deterrent, are highly contested. There’s also an argument to be made about violating citizens rights, and of course, while it’s easy to have a gut reaction and say “well they don’t deserve rights because they are criminals”, there’s the issue of accidental convictions, and that if the government can justify brutality against someone by saying that they were found guilty of a crime, they can also justify brutality against you by finding *you* “guilty” of a crime, much akin to Red Flag laws. Below is a study on deterrence published by the gov. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/216548.pdf

 

[Duckyou]

Worked great for Germans. $0.06 a piece is very cost effective too

Hey, don’t be cheap. We need to use the high end 22 that is at least $0.10/round.

 

[lil'skeet]

Hey, don’t be cheap. We need to use the high end 22 that is at least $0.10/round.

May get a cleaner burn and be able to get more rounds between cleanings. Good thinking

 

[Raven]

FWIW, whilst I’m pro-death penalty, it’s merits, atleast as it stands now, as a deterrent, are highly contested. There’s also an argument to be made about violating citizens rights, and of course, while it’s easy to have a gut reaction and say “well they don’t deserve rights because they are criminals”, there’s the issue of accidental convictions, and that if the government can justify brutality against someone by saying that they were found guilty of a crime, they can also justify brutality against you by finding *you* “guilty” of a crime, much akin to Red Flag laws. Below is a study on deterrence published by the gov. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/216548.pdf

I speak as a former hospital security officer in charge of watching those red flagged Baker Act folks... the red flag laws get trumped by the 2A every time. No sheriff is going to risk half his deputies on shift dying by busting down the door of a man known to be crazy and in possession of his own means to resist. Just saying... Case in point is the longest standoff in US history. A man who told his sheriff serving a warrant that nobody needs to die and if they enter his house he'll kill them all. The sheriff listened. Nobody needed to die. That man didn't leave his house for like 15 years. He waited out the statute of limitations and lived as a free man on his own private property, raised his family, watched TV, and lived his own life the way he saw fit... innocent until proven guilty.

 

[SUPERLITE69]

I speak as a former hospital security officer in charge of watching those red flagged Baker Act folks... the red flag laws get trumped by the 2A every time. No sheriff is going to risk half his deputies on shift dying by busting down the door of a man known to be crazy and in possession of his own means to resist. Just saying... Case in point is the longest standoff in US history. A man who told his sheriff serving a warrant that nobody needs to die and if they enter his house he'll kill them all. The sheriff listened. Nobody needed to die. That man didn't leave his house for like 15 years. He waited out the statute of limitations and lived as a free man on his own private property, raised his family, watched TV, and lived his own life the way he saw fit... innocent until proven guilty.

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I mean, the red flag law is only a *tiny* portion of everything I said. Beyond that, while I’m sure your experience as a security officer has *some* merit, I don’t think it’s really the strongest base of authority to argue from when we are making generalized statements of a country with 370 million people, wherein police policy is disjointed and varies from precinct to precinct. Case in point, in regards to red flag laws being trumped by the 2A, here are three separate invocations of red flag laws that weren’t inhibited by 2A.

19-Hour Standoff With Nassau Veteran Ends Peacefully: Police

Police say the man barricaded himself inside his home and threatened to hurt himself and officers if they came in.

patch.com

Red flag law leads to arrest and seizure of guns

A tip to police has led to an arrest, along with the confiscation of illegal guns and ammunition in Buffalo. Police say somebody called them expressing concerns over comments made by Buffalo man.

www.wkbw.com

Delaware County, IN / Indiana's Red Flag Law - The "Jake Laird Law"

The official website of Delaware County, Indiana

www.co.delaware.in.us

There’s also merit in considering that, if 2A keeps cops in line, as departments aren’t willing to sacrifice people for arbitrary investigations, why do they get away with no-knock raids, and unnecessary deployment of personnel and equipment on otherwise mundane citizen “check ups”? Or what about that time that police, in an attempt to apprehend Randy Weaver on firearms charges, killed his wife while she held their infant daughter, and blew his 14 year old sons brain matter across the ground, and subsequently labeled them all as domestic terrorists.

YMMV, but the 2A doesn’t trump red flag laws, as far as I can see it, because the government can socially and physically isolate you until you’re forced to die or capitulate, and most people choose the latter. There’s also probably some overlap with that abuse of power and jurisdiction, with stuff like the deployment of the Nat Guard during the Saint Floyd riots, wherein guardsmen repeatedly violated the civil rights of innocent bystanders who dared film them as they patrolled streets, going insofar as to let loose with “less lethal” munitions.

I’m new here, and don’t know the tone, so I’ll reserve my personal beliefs about the police and said guardsmen. Anyway, I hope my message doesn’t come across as rude, it’s just a topic I think about often. Was never an officer but was in an Academy Class for the New Orleans Police Department, and have a degree in Criminology and Criminal Justice, so take it for what you will, I suppose.

Interesting to read about John Joe Grey. Surprised it wasn’t a bigger event, like Ruby Ridge or Waco. Not that one lone man is analogous to a cult, but the government loves its overreach, and killing people, so…