Wow... How things sure have changed...

[Raven]

" How many corrupt people it would take?"

"Will changing one or two things “fix” this level of corruption?"

Spot on.
Even if Americans somehow voted to dissolve the whole corrupt uni-party and start over, the same corrupt people would remain to rebuild a corrupt government. The French knew this and that's why in their revolution they executed the entire upper class and every royal head they could find. The commies knew this and that's why Ho Chi Minh and the Kim's executed everybody at their upper echelon. The entire Russian ruling family got wacked in WW1 (except for possibly Anastasia, a little girl. We have all heard that story). One of those commies went so far as to execute everybody in their whole country with eyeglasses, because it was a sign you had money and possibly maybe some sort of power, just in case! Americans as a whole won't ever have a bloody revolution like that in America because we are "civilized" and so the corruption will remain. Every now and then some nut with a rifle will step out on a ballfield full of Senators and FAFO (bonafide real Leftwing violence against the Rightwing) or explode a bomb in a capitol building (bonafide real Leftwing violence against the Rightwing) or legit burn down the White House (Loyalists in the War of 1812 that somehow didn't get wacked in the revolution of 1776) but that is few and far between, thank God. Even the Civil War was a civil war, not a revolution... and most of the same ruling class corrupt elites on both sides remained to corrupt American politics for decades afterwards (except for a very important politician, Lincoln... RIP).

America will never get rid of its political corruption.
Never ever.
Corruption is here to stay.
It's human nature.
It's cyclical.
Professionals are predictable.


P.S.
When we all get to heaven I hope to meet Lincoln and a few other men. How cool will that be to get to sit down with Lincoln, General Lee, General Washington and General Eisenhower all at the same table and just pull up a chair and have a conversation, everybody all together? You know they're in the afterlife right now probably talking about our corrupt politics, even now

Infowars Article

Infowars: There's a War on for your Mind!

www.infowars.com

 

[CaptGene]

I’m 76. This isn’t the country where I grew up. I keep believing there has to be some SANITY living somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum.

I really don’t give a crap whether you’re LGBT+++ or gender fluid. Just stay away from preaching it as a religion and absolutely stay out of my face and space every single day.

Antifa is not a myth - it’s a domestic terrorist group.

There will be no normalcy until we enforce the law, and punish those who break it . Antifa is an example. Or, look at San Francisco, Chicago, Baltimore and Portland lawlessness.

The FAR LEFT and the FAR RIGHT need to be drowned out by the middle on both sides. Remaining silent only encourages their behavior.

We need to quit spending money on every single whim of the government designed to capture votes (Think Student Loan forgiveness) - and thousands of other special interest projects. We are 20++ TRILLION $$ in debt.

And, if we do spend money, let’s take care of Americans first! Americans are hungry, Americans need housing, needy Americans have a right to access American $$ before every country in the world with their hands out.

I could go on for an entire book. You get the idea.

 

[OperationalPinecone]

The level of corruption is deep beyond what most people can comprehend, but they are all chicken shit. You clap the first few the rest of them will run. Cockroach concept.

 

[IronBeard]

It would be nice to see a peaceful transition. But I don't think it will happen until it gets back to democrats and Republicans. Right now, it is Republicans vs. election stealing left wing socialists/fascist/authoritarian/marxists. Until the more reasonable minded (if there are any) in that party take back control there will not be peaceful transitions. If a Republican wins they will lie and do all they can to undermine him or her. If they win how can we ever believe it was a "fair and free" election.

I'm not so sure there are any real republicans left, either. We are forced to choose a side in a two-party system but, when you consider the number of people eligible to register to vote vs those registered, and then that only about 40% of registered voters actually turn out to vote, the "trend line" is not positive. All are free to speculate as to why.

 

[IronBeard]

States have tried to challenge it and were told basically if they pushed the federal government will pull all federal funding to them so there's that.

The states have done that to themselves by becoming increasingly (permanently?) dependent on the federal government. Time they start reversing that, IMO, but I haven't seen one make a noticable attempt to do so.

 

[Bamaboy19]

The game is rigged.
The only way to win the game is to quit playing.

Secession.
Texas knew this... they started a secession vote and halfway through the vote when the feds saw that it might actually pass, the federal government intervened, threatened a federal aviation boycott in or out of the entire state of Texas and so got the vote shut down. Theory has it was really because if Texas wasn't a part of the Union then that Mormon couldn't run for president so the Mormons and Republican party got the vote shut down. If any state can pull off being a sovereign state it is Texas because they have an international border and deep water ports.

Guess what Alabama has... deep water ports and no US border on one side

And, as I understand, Texas has written in their state constitution a provisional means for secession. And the right to divide into 5 separate states. I'm kinda guessing here that if a simpleton like me can recognize the great potential in this, so has the powers that be. Texas, just like the rest of this once great country, has been slowly transformed over the last 100 years. Say what you want, but my beliefs tell me (a damn Yankee) the civil war was fought over states rights and the abundance of resources found in our southern states.

 

[Raven]

Say what you want, but my beliefs tell me (a damn Yankee) the civil war was fought over states rights and the abundance of resources found in our southern states.

Morrill Tariff - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Men far smarter than me have suggested the whole war was started years before the first bullet with a legal fight over Morrill Tariff money, wealth redistribution and the industrialized North taking the agricultural Souths resource profits to the tune of 50% or more. I've read 90% of the profits, too.

I've got a couple history books on the war that also talk about how the writing was on the wall for a war to start several years before the first bullet was ever fired. And this has been proven by looking at ledgers in the pre-war United States Army where future Confederate supply officers before the war were transferring large amounts of ordinance to Southern armories

 

[IronBeard]

Term limits. I've often heard that we already have term limits through the vote. Of course, you have to believe in the security/validity of that system. Then you have to consider many of the sheep will vote with the other sheep, because they're sheep. Some will vote for who they saw holding a sign while waving from the side of the road. Oh, and you cannot verify that your vote was even considered in the "final tally." Try it. Dare ya. Contact your supervisor of "elections."

Age limits. I'm more for cognitive testing. When you're done, you're done. Resign or be removed. We seriously need an un-election process. I doubt this can be done in an unbiased manner. Wherever an opportunity exists to enrich/promote/reward self, there will be corruption, until self is willing to place cause/mission before self. My confidence this will ever come into being is about 1:300,000,000.

IMO, the way toward improvement is to legally mandate (amend the constitution?) supreme court verification of constitutionality as part of the bill-drafting process. Then raise the threshold for passage to 70%. No more 60%. No more 50/50 senate votes with the biased by party affiliation VP as "tie-breaker." That is simply placing the fate of the entire country in the hands of one person. W-T-F?

Yes, you can argue nothing will get done. My counter is, the founders of what was once this nation meant change/legislation to be slow/tedious so that it would be forced into being as constitutionally right as possible. If 70% can't agree on something, it just needs to be dropped, at least in it's current state, IMO. Let's move on.

Not gonna happen with the current citizenry. Back to reality...

 

[Bamaboy19]

Morrill Tariff - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Men far smarter than me have suggested the whole war was started years before the first bullet with a legal fight over Morrill Tariff money, wealth redistribution and the industrialized North taking the agricultural Souths resource profits to the tune of 50% or more. I've read 90% of the profits, too.

I've got a couple history books on the war that also talk about how the writing was on the wall for a war to start several years before the first bullet was ever fired. And this has been proven by looking at ledgers in the pre-war United States Army where future Confederate supply officers before the war were transferring large amounts of ordinance to Southern armories

Jefferson Davis
The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government is a good read by a brilliant mind.
IDK what became of his home/museum in Biloxi after hurricane Katrina, I was fortunate enough to tour it before. I think that's where I bought this book. Spoiler; it drastically changed my views of Lincoln...

 

[OperationalPinecone]

Yeah that was pretty much it with the Civil War, the South had the resources and the North was taking them and turning them into products and making all the money. Absolutely was not about slavery..