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    We conservatives can not agree on a candidate even among ourselves. Democratic socialists however ,will endorse the party nominee without question . If you ask a thousand of them about biden they would every single one tell you he’s doing a great job and deserves another 4 years,in the White House. It’s as if they can’t think for themselves. I can’t tell if they were born like that or they’ve been programmed, but either way they are united in their thought process.
     

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    I like the idea Heinlin had. Service guarantees citizenship and the right to reproduce or serve in government. I could be Sky Marshal.
    Sky Marshal... or Space Marshal? : )

    I've mentioned before, but a niece of mine is now with DHS (I guess maybe I.C.E., but probably working concert with the Coast Guard and Navy) doing open-water interdiction off the SoCal coast! In a recent night-op, she needed to shoot out the engine of a fleeing boat but her rifle jammed. One of the guys said "I'll get it!", but she said "HELL no! This one is MINE! Gimme your rifle!" : )

    She's so bad that when she flies commercial, if there is no Air Marshal assigned, she becomes the Air Marshal! Must feel all warm and fuzzy packing heat on Southwest! Pretty sure she could kick my butt, and I'd be shocked if she's even 120 lbs. now. When she was a cop, the biggest problem she had was not enough real-estate on her duty belt! : )
     
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    We conservatives can not agree on a candidate even among ourselves. Democratic socialists however ,will endorse the party nominee without question . If you ask a thousand of them about biden they would every single one tell you he’s doing a great job and deserves another 4 years,in the White House. It’s as if they can’t think for themselves. I can’t tell if they were born like that or they’ve been programmed, but either way they are united in their thought process.
    And guess which group would all willingly go for a box-car ride? : )

    They can have their herd mentality...
     

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    No, apparently YOU are the genius voting for someone who can’t win when there are viable alternatives.
    By "viable" you mean "who can win"? Even if they're a scumbag? Like the Bushes? McCain? Romney? THAT is how we ended up with Clinton AND Obama. (note that Trump DIDN'T lose to Biden!) I vote for the person I think will do the best job... PERIOD. I'm not a herd-animal.

    I voted for (or would have voted for) three in the last thirty years, come hell or high water:

    1. Perot (I)

    2. Dean (D) (Remember? The media shot him down as soon as he swept Iowa, primarily due to his adamant opposition to the bullshit wars that the Bushes, McCain, and Romney were all in favor of.)

    3. Trump (R)

    Note that I also don't give a CRAP about political parties. What's best for a "party" is NEVER what's best for the PEOPLE.
     

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    By "viable" you mean "who can win"? Even if they're a scumbag? Like the Bushes? McCain? Romney? THAT is how we ended up with Clinton AND Obama. (note that Trump DIDN'T lose to Biden!) I vote for the person I think will do the best job... PERIOD. I'm not a herd-animal.

    I voted for (or would have voted for) three in the last thirty years, come hell or high water:

    1. Perot (I)

    2. Dean (D) (Remember? The media shot him down as soon as he swept Iowa, primarily due to his adamant opposition to the bullshit wars that the Bushes, McCain, and Romney were all in favor of.)

    3. Trump (R)

    Note that I also don't give a CRAP about political parties. What's best for a "party" is NEVER what's best for the PEOPLE.

    Actually I was talking about DeSantis but since you already know everything I won’t bore you with my views.
    Carry on.
     

    lil'skeet

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    In 2020 the dems changed election laws (illegally), harvested ballots (illegally, yes even in states where there is a legal process to do this), counted the same boxes of votes over and over again (illegally), blocked partisan observers from observing the process (illegally), closed polling stations, sent Republicans home with bullshit excuses then brought out boxes of ballots and ran them through the system (illegally) and many, many more ways of perverting the system.

    There were hundreds of legally sworn testimonies attesting to these and many other facts that the courts WOULD NOT LOOK AT.

    Does anyone really believe that 81 million people, of their own volition, went to the polls and voted for joe biden? Does anyone really believe that many precincts (and states) had Trump way up, then closed poll counting for several hours, then came back with biden ahead, was legitimate? Does anyone really believe that joe biden received more votes in Black precincts then obama did? Can any thinking person with an IQ above the mid double digits look at this and not think something strange happened in the 2020 election?

    All this and many more “shenanigans” occurred in 2020 and NOTHING happened to the party that pulled this off. Instead, anyone who tried to shed light on the situation was mocked and called a “conspiracy theorist”. Does anyone think they won’t do the same and worse again, no matter who the Republican candidate is? Hint, the answer is of course they will, they would have to be stupid not too, and we know they are not stupid. Immoral? Yes. Evil? Yes. Scheming? Yes. Win at any cost? Yes. Stupid? NO!

    President Trump is the only person strong enough and pissed off enough to fight back against them and to (possibly and hopefully) not allow it to happen again. I have NO FAITH that the RNC or any other candidate will do anything to stop it, but Trump will do his best to crush these maggots.

    I like DeSantis, definitely the best Governor in the country, I voted for him in the primary and twice for Governor. I do expect him to be President someday. But for 2024 we need someone who can not only fight them to stop the steal, but to go in and immediately start the process of putting us back on track, instead of finding out where the bathrooms are in the West wing. If a second steal is prevented, Trump is the absolute best person to go in and from DAY ONE start turning the situation around. He is also, possibly and probably, the only person who will not allow them to get away with another 2020.

    Totally agree with the foundational principle that all are created/start equal. It's what comes after that matters.

    IMO, it should be a requirement that one passes the US citizenship test IOT be permitted to vote. That's not about illegals/immigration. That's about certifying/verifying the potential voter knows how/what this country was founded on, and how the government they are about to vote for is supposed to work, before they are permitted to vote.

    I'm pretty Liberty-minded, but I 110% support not only voter ID, but voter testing/certification prior to issuing a voter ID. Just like a driver's license. We could easily add a "certfied voter" indorsement to a DL/state ID...
    So what you are saying is bye bye democrats?
     

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    We conservatives can not agree on a candidate even among ourselves. Democratic socialists however ,will endorse the party nominee without question . If you ask a thousand of them about biden they would every single one tell you he’s doing a great job and deserves another 4 years,in the White House. It’s as if they can’t think for themselves. I can’t tell if they were born like that or they’ve been programmed, but either way they are united in their thought process.
    I'll tell you one thing, I sure as hell can't find one of those Biden|Harris bumper stickers or yard signs nowadays. Cheap Chinese glue on the bumper stickers and they blew off in a couple weeks and global warming melted the yard signs.
     

    DAS HUGH!

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    I'll tell you one thing, I sure as hell can't find one of those Biden|Harris bumper stickers or yard signs nowadays. Cheap Chinese glue on the bumper stickers and they blew off in a couple weeks and global warming melted the yard signs.
    I wonder what Bidens autographs are selling for?
     

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    Earned it? All you had to do was turn 21.
    "All you had to do was turn 21." Not exactly. Thanks for posting that though since it got me look into something I had thought of before but had not researched.

    In the first election of George Washington only white property owners over 21 could vote. It was like that until the 1850's. Women, Blacks and Indians weren't allowed to vote until even later than that. Women received the right in 1920 and Indians in 1924. African Americans received the right in 1870, although poll taxes and other state laws kept many from voting until the voting rights act of 1965. This is a very brief oversimplification of a complex subject but until fairly recently (in historical terms) many people did not get to vote just because they turned 21.
     

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    As I get older I lose my rebellious side more and more. Not due to age tho. But by choosing to not run from being a dad. Staying home and raising a family. Paying bills. Paying my fair share. Those things. Those things make people conservatives over time. Not gray hairs or bibles. Just living a proper life will.
    The old Naive me also used to assume that out of 1000 people at any given moment that at least 90% of those would do the same.
    The older me now knows there's just alot of miserable people. Those people learned its easier to lash out and blame others for thier shortcomings.
    About 70% I'd wager are these types. These types will vote no matter what damage it does, just for the mere promise of free crap, crap that most times is always a lie anyways. Then, when given a smallest excuse, these will take to the streets and destroy everything, kill, rape, all because they're told its OK because you can blame those you're attacking for causing it all anyways. So I've learned that too dam many now just wanna watch this all frikken burn.
     

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    So what you are saying is bye bye democrats?
    Maybe. Doesn't have to be that way though. Years back, most democrats acted/legislated more like today's republicans. Look at Joe Manchin for a perfect example. His own party is against him for being old school democrat. I guess he's not far enough left for their agenda/liking.

    Regardless, and IMO, I'd like to see a rightward shift in both parties. Truthfully, I'd be OK with a rightward shift that resulted in a third party. If for nothing more than to lessen the probability of the near 50/50 gridlock we have had for years.
     

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    As I get older I lose my rebellious side more and more. Not due to age tho. But by choosing to not run from being a dad. Staying home and raising a family. Paying bills. Paying my fair share. Those things. Those things make people conservatives over time. Not gray hairs or bibles. Just living a proper life will.
    The old Naive me also used to assume that out of 1000 people at any given moment that at least 90% of those would do the same.
    The older me now knows there's just alot of miserable people. Those people learned its easier to lash out and blame others for thier shortcomings.
    About 70% I'd wager are these types. These types will vote no matter what damage it does, just for the mere promise of free crap, crap that most times is always a lie anyways. Then, when given a smallest excuse, these will take to the streets and destroy everything, kill, rape, all because they're told its OK because you can blame those you're attacking for causing it all anyways. So I've learned that too dam many now just wanna watch this all frikken burn.
    It is animal/human nature to take no more risk, and work no harder, than required to survive. FWIW, I include procreation as part of survival. I would change your 70% to more like 90%, but good post.
     

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    Who thinks JFK jr will be offed? He really throws a greasy rubber in the Dems Kool aid.
    There's another of those old school democrats, that likely shames quite a few republicans. Trust me, I am faaar from pro-democrat, but I have to give Kennedy and Manchin some credit. I'd rather have one of those than the sold-out, compromised puppet we're currently stuck with.
     

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    "All you had to do was turn 21." Not exactly. Thanks for posting that though since it got me look into something I had thought of before but had not researched.

    In the first election of George Washington only white property owners over 21 could vote. It was like that until the 1850's. Women, Blacks and Indians weren't allowed to vote until even later than that. Women received the right in 1920 and Indians in 1924. African Americans received the right in 1870, although poll taxes and other state laws kept many from voting until the voting rights act of 1965. This is a very brief oversimplification of a complex subject but until fairly recently (in historical terms) many people did not get to vote just because they turned 21.
    You're absolutely right. I remember poll taxes growing up, and "literacy tests" being given. Are you saying we should go back to the George Washington era?
     
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