The FBI says 9mm is the Best Pistol Round

[DaBreeze]

Im sure that everyone will not agree but ..........

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/09/25/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

 

[Stanley13]

I agree, I need more shots than a 40 or 45 can offer me. I tend to piss people off in groups!!

 

[ChrisC]

See #7 and #11.

 

[Brandon_SPC]

I see this being at least a 3 page thread on 9mm vs 40 vs 45.....opcorn:

 

[bohica793]

Didn't they the same about 357Sig a few years ago?

 

[Garpo]

I was once a fan of the 40 S&W but at this stage in my life I find the 9mm more enjoyable to shoot....

 

[rtprthd]

"LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident"

And they say it's all about shot placement?!?!

 

[Stagman]

I see this being at least a 3 page thread on 9mm vs 40 vs 45.....opcorn:

40 just needs to go away, it was lightning in a bottle and now it's obsolete due to the +P+ ammo that is on the market.

 

[shootnstarz]

Well if the government says so it must be true.

Rick

 

[MAXman]

They said the same thing about 38+p.
and 10mm.
And 40.

I feel 9mm works well, I like the price, and the way most weapons handle 9mm.
It's not the best though. That's like saying a 4 cylinder is the best because you can turbo charge it.

 

[Ross7]

I prefer 9mm and don't feel under-gunned with the 14+1 of 124gr+P GDHP I carry. Suitable ballistics with modern HPs, slightly higher capacity in similar platforms than .40/45 and generally lower priced ammo to boot what's not to like. With the military needing to cut cost and now considering HPs maybe they'll stay with the 9mm.

 

[MAXman]

I would argue that the military should go to hp 9mm, except outside of pmo in drawing a blank on people that actually have to rely on a side arm.
It would be a step in the right direction, 9mm ball doesn't do shit against actual body armor.

The firearms blog, however, has assured me the detonics is all but been ordered as the next military sidearm, though.

 

[Stagman]

I would argue that the military should go to hp 9mm, except outside of pmo in drawing a blank on people that actually have to rely on a side arm.
It would be a step in the right direction, 9mm ball doesn't do shit against actual body armor.

The firearms blog, however, has assured me the detonics is all but been ordered as the next military sidearm, though.

Geneva Convention

 

[MAXman]

One could argue pmo is law enforcement and non combat arms.

 

[fl57caveman]

They said the same thing about 38+p.
and 10mm.
And 40.

I feel 9mm works well, I like the price, and the way most weapons handle 9mm.
It's not the best though. That's like saying a 4 cylinder is the best because you can turbo charge it.

our forces get whatever the biggest payola from lobbyists for big defense contracts buys them..


that being said, go with 9mm, hollowpoint,124 grain, and the hell with Geneva ....

 

[Ross7]

Geneva Convention

Wrong Convention...

The Pentagon's devotion to full-metal jacket, or ball ammunition, is the result of a 116-year-old guideline in the 1899 Hague Convention that prohibits combat units from using bullets that "expand or flatten easily" inside the human body.

The declaration was ratified by all major powers, except the United States, but the Pentagon has used it as the legal standard to rule out any ammunition other than ball for use in sidearms.

US Army is Considering Hollow-Point Bullets to Go with New Pistol
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...ring-hollow-point-bullets-to-go-with-new.html

 

[MAXman]

Neat.

 

[DaBreeze]

"LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident"

And they say it's all about shot placement?!?!

It is about shoot placement. 16 rounds in a GLock 19 and they are going to hit you 3 to 5 times. That should be sufficient

 

[Brandon_SPC]

Hasn't the Marine Corps been using an otm bullet like the Federal MK 318 for a while and also snipers using the otm? I don't think the hollow points is anything new. It would be nice to see it be used across the board.

 

[Stagman]