Scout Rifle, Conceptual, Tactical, and Reality.

[Raven]

BTW the 6.5 was recognized as being faster, more accurate and flatter trajectory than the 30 cal a really long time before the 30 cal got a shorter case and became the 308... recognized superior in the pre-WW1 Swiss 6.5 caliber Mauser

 

[lil'skeet]

I like mine for the purpose it serves. Small, lightweight, threaded barrel, fairly accurate, and uses same mags as my AR 10s.
Wouldn't be in my top 10 choices for war games though.

 

[Raven]

I like mine for the purpose it serves. Small, lightweight, threaded barrel, fairly accurate, and uses same mags as my AR 10s.
Wouldn't be in my top 10 choices for war games though.

You have a nice Mossberg that uses both M14 mags and AR10 mags. I sold my Mossberg rifle because mine was the heavy barreled long range version. It was just too heavy. Traded one of my Kriss Vectors for an AR10 carbine to fill the gap, but I'd much rather have a DSA stainless steel FAL Paratrooper. If somebody ever gets around to producing an American made stainless steel SKS Paratrooper I'd probably sell organs, my first born and my wife to get one.

 

[M118LR]

You have a nice Mossberg that uses both M14 mags and AR10 mags. I sold my Mossberg rifle because mine was the heavy barreled long range version. It was just too heavy. Traded one of my Kriss Vectors for an AR10 carbine to fill the gap, but I'd much rather have a DSA stainless steel FAL Paratrooper. If somebody ever gets around to producing an American made stainless steel SKS Paratrooper I'd probably sell organs, my first born and my wife to get one.

I understand the first born, even a couple of unneeded organs, but usually you have to pay extra to get rid of a wife! (LOL) At least that is what most Lawyers say.

I have the .308 Win Ruger Scout Rifle (16 inch Stainless Barrel & synthetic stock) and I've installed the Burris 2-7 X 32 with Warne QD Rings. (forgot who recommended it from this forum) But it should make for a very lightweight Hunting rifle. The heaviest item attached is the Turner 1907 Boithane all weather sling. Since I don't take shots over 300 yards at Game Animals, I can just remount the Burris Scope when I'm not stalk hunting, and sit the stand when longer rested shots will probably arise. Can't beat that Mauser Claw when it it comes to Dangerous Game Animals. While it's not as pretty as the Ruger Guide Gun (30-06), it comes in allot lighter. It hasn't made it through Work Ups yet, but I feel confident that 4 inch 3 shot groups @ 200 yards should be well within the rifles capabilities, perhaps even with M80 ammo? Why rifle makers still use 1:10 rifling in .308 Win I'll never grasp, 200+ grain projectiles are not within the .308 Win's Wheelhouse, but at a MAX 300 yards the extra spin drift is negligible. But since it's feed by a detachable mag, and has no standard equipment for stripper clip use, if it wasn't for the fact that the rear peep sight has to be removed to install a classic scope, I'd probably configure it in that manner and remove the forward rail. Still waiting for Springfield to bring out a Six pound SOCOM M1A, it may need some Government Replacement parts to function with stripper clips, but that would make for a better Scout Style Rifle. JMHO. PEW-PEW-PEW is no longer a force multiplier on an actual Battlefield, it's a requirement to keep up with the JONE's.

Can't even place a hardened mobile listing post in the same spot without there being an IED waiting on day 2. More or less Human Forward Observers.

 

[Bamaboy19]

When Cooper 1st brought this concept mainstream, I was just getting into rifles. I had just bought a new mini-14. As intrigued as I was by the idea, I ordered an Enfield no7 jungle carbine from Shotgun news for like $125. & a $49 ATI stock. I replaced the funky cone flash hider with a regular sight, glass bedded it, made my own scope mount from an SKS mounted to the rear sight, topped with a red-dot. I was so proud of myself for meeting most of the prerequisites, but did I ever catch hell from my friends who all had Savage 110s with "real" Simon's optics. Killed my 1st (& many more) whitetail with a 125yd running shot. I got some redemption & respect after that. I miss that gun...
I was never in the service so scout had a different meaning to me. I was a boy scout, but always understood the concept as a 1 rifle to do all, mainly hunting, which if you're to be successful at, you need to "scout".

 

[lil'skeet]

Can't even place a hardened mobile listing post in the same spot without there being an IED waiting on day 2. More or less Human Forward Observers.

Reporters & cameras beat you there.

 

[M118LR]

It's funny you mention the Ruger Mini, I have the Mini-30. I've got the same 2-10 x 36 Weaver on the Mini-30 that I also mounted on the Ruger Guide Gun. I've used the Mini-30 at 200 yards offhand on 8 inch paper targets with 98%+ results for 10 strings of 10 shots. The Mini-30 has taken hog, deer, and even Black Bear, but since the 7.62 x 39 154 grain drops below 1K ft/lbs of kinetic energy after 150 yards; 150 yards is the Maximum shot I'll take with it.

Since the Ruger Scout Rifle has the same 16 inch length stainless barrel as the Mini-30,the Scout Rifle is actually a touch lighter than the Mini-30 and the .308 Win chambering allows the Scout Rifle to deliver at my self imposed 300 yard distance on Game & Dangerous Game up to 1000 lbs. I'm going to give the 2-7 Burris Scout Scope a chance during work ups, but I'm not enamored with a BDC Reticle vice the Enhanced Mildot Reticle of the Weaver Tactical Scopes. Worse comes to worse, I'll just zero it at 300 yards as I should be able to find a hunting load in .308 Win that won't go above 4 inches with the 300 yard zero. (ie Point Blank Range.)

Bottom line: When hunting game I'll get .308 Win performance with equal or less carry weight than the Mini-30.
While shooting paper offhand at 200 yards I'll be able to maintain a constant cheek weld thru all ten rounds of a ten round string while using a 10 round detachable mag. (not shoot 4, reload & shoot another 4 & reload to shoot the final 2 in a ten round string.) As is required with a 4 round box mag like the Ruger Guide Gun has. If I once again venture into Territories where Dangerous Game exceeds sensible use of the .308 Win, well I've got the Guide Gun in 30-06 and a few proven recipes. LOL. There is no one rifle/cartridge combo that can actually do it all, everything is a compromise. JMHO.

 

[M118LR]

As a follow-up, I can't decide if I want to leave the long eye relief scope in place or switch to a conventional hunting scope. Unfortunately I'd have to loose the rear iron sight to use the Ruger dovetail for conventional scope mounting. Here is a pic or two.

 

[Bamaboy19]

As a follow-up, I can't decide if I want to leave the long eye relief scope in place or switch to a conventional hunting scope. Unfortunately I'd have to loose the rear iron sight to use the Ruger dovetail for conventional scope mounting. Here is a pic or two.

Have you hunted with the LER scope? I like them myself, both eyes open, easy inside a couple of hundred yards. My very 1st harvest was a 150yd running shot.

 

[M118LR]

Have you hunted with the LER scope? I like them myself, both eyes open, easy inside a couple of hundred yards. My very 1st harvest was a 150yd running shot.

Unfortunately this is the first season with the Scout Rifle, and circumstances being what they are this is the first year in the last 60 that I won't be able to take time to hunt. So no, I have yet to hunt with a LER scope. Perhaps next season if the situation allows. I have taken it out to the range, the ten shot mag did aid my shooting unsupported standing. And the LER scope functioned well at 200 yards. I'll need more time to experience hunting with the LER scope. Perhaps I should put off changing anything until I have tried it afield?

 

[lil'skeet]

LPVO 1-8x scope works great for me on my scout rifle. 1x is easy for both eyes open | moving targets. More magnification is there when necessary. Scopes eyebox is a lot more forgiving to me than my LER handgun scope.

 

[M118LR]

LPVO 1-8x scope works great for me on my scout rifle. 1x is easy for both eyes open | moving targets. More magnification is there when necessary. Scopes eyebox is a lot more forgiving to me than my LER handgun scope.

How much does your LPVO weigh? What is the eye relief at 8X? How long is the actual battery life? With the Burris LER the second the rifle hits my shoulder the eyebox presents perfectly regardless of magnification. Don't have any fish eyeing like I've experienced on handguns with LER scopes. The new VCOG' s are a bit pricey Thanks to the USMC orders, perhaps time will soften the blow to the wallet? Which quick detachable mount did you use? Every oz counts when less than 7lbs is to be carried. Here is some gun porn on the Scout & Mini-30, both are similar in size and wieght.

 

[lil'skeet]

How much does your LPVO weigh? What is the eye relief at 8X? How long is the actual battery life? With the Burris LER the second the rifle hits my shoulder the eyebox presents perfectly regardless of magnification. Don't have any fish eyeing like I've experienced on handguns with LER scopes. The new VCOG' s are a bit pricey Thanks to the USMC orders, perhaps time will soften the blow to the wallet? Which quick detachable mount did you use? Every oz counts when less than 7lbs is to be carried. Here is some gun porn on the Scout & Mini-30, both are similar in size and wieght.

Shop 1-8x28 LPVO Hunting Scopes - Riton Optics

Riton Optics 7 Primal 1-8×28 Scope is a perfect hunting scope. 175 MOA of total adjustment & second focal plane for quick targeting.

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Not sure on battery life. Would depend on how bright you set it and quality of battery.

 

[M118LR]

Shop 1-8x28 LPVO Hunting Scopes - Riton Optics

Riton Optics 7 Primal 1-8×28 Scope is a perfect hunting scope. 175 MOA of total adjustment & second focal plane for quick targeting.

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Not sure on battery life. Would depend on how bright you set it and quality of battery.

25 oz, but only 3.5 inches of eye relief. Is your scout Rifle a flat top AR? It's rather costly to get a .308 Win in an AR below 7 lbs. Is your LPVO actually $ 1,300 xx as advertised? I'd definitely have to get a much lighter sling with 25 oz's of glass. https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/scout-riflescopes-series/scout-riflescope-2-7x32mm

 

[Raven]

25 oz, but only 3.5 inches of eye relief. Is your scout Rifle a flat top AR? It's rather costly to get a .308 Win in an AR below 7 lbs. Is your LPVO actually $ 1,300 xx as advertised? I'd definitely have to get a much lighter sling with 25 oz's of glass. https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/scout-riflescopes-series/scout-riflescope-2-7x32mm

I wouldn't doubt it... @lil'skeet has some very cool high speed low drag scout rifles. I've seen them personally and stood in awe, speechless

 

[lil'skeet]

9.4 lbs with bipod, no mag.

 

[lil'skeet]

Price is right around $700

 

[M118LR]

My 30-06 Guide Gun is just below 9 lbs lil'skeet. Same express iron sights, and it has the same exact 2-10 Weaver Tactical illuminated improved Mil-dot scope as the Mini-30. But none of them have or will have bipods on them. Since they are primarily for hunting or Standard Service Rifle. (standing unsupported, kneeling, sitting, prone) With a 3.5 inches of relief the LPVO isn't going to work on the Scout. I didn't notice a Milling reticle listed on the LPVO, did I miss it?

 

[lil'skeet]

My 30-06 Guide Gun is just below 9 lbs lil'skeet. Same express iron sights, and it has the same exact 2-10 Weaver Tactical illuminated improved Mil-dot scope as the Mini-30. But none of them have or will have bipods on them. Since they are primarily for hunting or Standard Service Rifle. (standing unsupported, kneeling, sitting, prone) With a 3.5 inches of relief the LPVO isn't going to work on the Scout. I didn't notice a Milling reticle listed on the LPVO, did I miss it?

Bipod was previous outing to zero it. It should have been taken off.
It being 2nd focal plane, and knowing the reticle, distances can still be measured at full magnification as long as I know the approximate size of something downrange.
At 1x magnification the eye relief is not a problem for me as long as I have a clear line of sight with my non dominant eye.

 

[M118LR]

Conventionally mounted over the chamber the eye relief shouldn't be a problem. I have no troubles with the 2x for either the conventional Weaver or the LER of the Burris. Old Habits die hard, I shoot better and quicker with Mil-dot s.