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  • Fletch

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    Came across this guys blog a while back. He was a Navy Corpsmen that spent some time in the sand with Marine Units. He is a gun rights advocate but seems pretty rational and doesn't spew a bunch of macho big ego crap. Interesting that he mentioned infowars because a few people I know watch that stuff everyday and I think they spew propaganda just as well as the mother jones and other liberal sites. If this guy's facts are correct then infowars is just as guilty of bending the truth and outright fabrication as the lefty wingnuts.

    Of course I'm sure Alex Jones would say this guy is a plant and part of the NWO conspiracy to. None of us like Obama and his big government ideals but I think it may be time to cool the rhetoric a bit and try to get things back to normal. The possibility of terrorist attacks on our homeland is still a very real possibility and the DHS is there to fight and prevent it. It wasn't created under Obama and everyone there is not some brainwashed Obama disciple. We are never going to get reasonably priced ammo back if everyone thinks they have to hoard it up at any cost to fight some mythical government takeover of the people. They don't have the resources to pull it off even it was some secret goal and did in fact have the 1.5 billion rounds and 2000+ armored vehicles. We see how creative the goat herders in Afganinstan are in their methods of resistance. I can only imagine what much smarter Americans with far greater resources could come up with.

    Col. Dave Grossmen has a theory that the terrorist will not attack us here again until we are completely off their soil. He says it's their sacred duty to devote all resources to driving the infidels out and they will try to hit us hard at home once again. Just like they did the USSR shortly after they withdrew completely from Afghanistan. They promised Russia they would go after their children and made good on it on in the Beslan attack. If you don't know what that is just Google it. It makes Sandy Hook look tame and if it happens here life as we know it will change forever. We have an enemy that explicitly stated they owe us 2 million dead children. I believe the vast of majority of men and women in the DHS are patriotic Americans willing to put their lives on the line to prevent something like this.

    Has is not occurred to some folks that the Alex Jones and those like him profits quite well when they keep people riled up and coming back for more everyday? Rational discussion of FACTS doesn't lend itself well to good daily ratings. They have convinced themselves they are some sort of patriots when it appears they are just profiteering hucksters just like the main stream media they constantly call out imo. These guys and their rhetoric are one of the reasons we can't go shoot at our leisure these days and the shelfs at Wal-mart are barren. The republicans in Congress are not going to fold on gun rights. There is enough awareness among them that a bill won't slip in unnoticed in the dark of night.




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    Captken

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    I agree. The reason people keep fanning the fire on any AWB is because they have found a way to make money off it. There is some on this forum that hopes the fire keeps blazing because they have been able to sell low end weapons for more than the high end ones sold for just a few months ago. But I think the embers are slowly dying out and you can tell by the ad's for those guns. The sellers keep bumping the ad's and keep lowering the prices all the while saying that if someone doesn't buy it, they will just keep it. But they keep on bumping and lowering and adding junk gun parts to sweeten the deal.

    I believe its time to sit back and relax and not get everyone's bowels in an uproar. There isn't going to be an AWB and the rest of the dumocrat's plans are falling apart also. The senate has already passed a bill to block the NATO gun treaty here in the states and even so, in the treaty it does nothing about the domestic owners of guns, just the importation of weapons between countries. But people try to read between the lines to keep the fear rolling. If people would just sit on their hands for 30 days, you would see thing return to normal. If those folks can't sell those Walmart DPMS $799 guns for $1600 anymore, you will see them quit buying them for resell and they will reappear in the stores. Bricks of 22's will reappear as soon as they quit paying $70-$90 per brick. If there is no profit then the black market will disappear quickly.
     

    Fletch

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    This guy seems to make some good points, I would like to believe him.

    Yes it's hard to discern what the true facts are but I find it easier when taking emotion out of the equation. When an Alex Jones gets all righteous about things we all care deeply about like liberty and the 2nd Amendment it's easy to let the emotion cloud our rational judgment of the real facts in front of us. I know I'm certainly not immune to it and have probably over reacted to some things in the last few months of craziness. I still stand by my urge to choke slam Piers Morgan as completely reasonable and rational however!
     

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    Yeah, I like this guy( course, Corpsmen were top notch to us)...like his take on the Universal Background checks, too.

    My only question is, if they solicited 750mil rounds last year, over 5 yrs, why turn around and do it again this year? What's up with that?
     

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    one of the reasons I have stopped posting and/or visiting this site so much...bunch of damn paranoid conspiracists.

    At one point, this was a gun forum instead of a political forum
     

    CCHGN

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    Well, this is in the wrong section( for this section), but most sections talk about what the section is about. This section IS about guns. Btw, gun owners do talk about politics, too. IS there a forum where they only talk about one thing, all the time?
     

    joe

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    Fear sells!!!!

    The far right & the far left both do the same thing use fragments of information to suit their views.

    I could be wrong as I am only in my 30s but I would bet there has always been a certain percentage of people who are apocalyptic no matter what has been happening in the world. Some will never trust the government not that they should.LOL Today its the government socialism because Obama & Obama care. I bet back in 1935 there where a bunch of folks saying the same thing because of FDR & social security. Others will think its environment or Necluar war. People find what they are looking for & ignore what does not fit their beliefs. Myself Included. I hope since I am aware of that tendency I can view things in a more logical manner.

    We need checks & balance like the house & senate. Any one group having all the power is bad.

    IMO you can't believe any one side more then the other.
     
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    Said this before and will post it here.

    Search Federal Law Enforcement Training Center "FLETC". Before there was a Home Land Security FLETC was under Transportation. Like all things government they had to fall under some agency. They have server locations all over the country and every federal law enforcement agency except FBI and DEA train there. When I say all, I mean all, from a Park Ranger to an ATF agent. In addition they train a lot of non-federal law enforcement agencies. They go through a lot of ammo training, look them up and read about all the locations and trianing, pretty interesting. This explains a lot of the ammo they order each year.
     

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    one of the reasons I have stopped posting and/or visiting this site so much...bunch of damn paranoid conspiracists.

    At one point, this was a gun forum instead of a political forum

    I guess I don't understand that you have guns and don't worry about the politics of losing them.
     

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    one of the reasons I have stopped posting and/or visiting this site so much...bunch of damn paranoid conspiracists.

    At one point, this was a gun forum instead of a political forum

    Same reason why I avoid anything with even a hint of conspiracy theory surrounding it. Its not that I don't care, its that some people turn the debate into ridiculous places.
     

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    one of the reasons I have stopped posting and/or visiting this site so much...bunch of damn paranoid conspiracists.

    At one point, this was a gun forum instead of a political forum

    DUH, gun are political thanks to your POTUS, but you are right, the theories abound and reach stoopid sometimes. But then if you don't have the facts, shame on you...there is not a forum out there that does not have politics involved, look what is happening in the fishing industry.
     

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    We all need to stand and fight together or the Ovomit regime will destroy the 2A!
    Ignoring a problem will not make it go away. Stay informed and stand strong - together!
     

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    DUH, gun are political thanks to your POTUS, but you are right, the theories abound and reach stoopid sometimes. But then if you don't have the facts, shame on you...there is not a forum out there that does not have politics involved, look what is happening in the fishing industry.

    10-4 Frank. Even the model airplane hobby is dealing with morons in government that don't know the difference between a line of sight R/C model airplane and an UAV flying itself miles away from the launch point. Just like firearms they want to lump them all together with some outrageous restrictions/rules that would all but destroy the model airplane hobby.

    As for the conspiracy theories, frankly I wouldn't trust this government any further than I could push a $180,000 an hour B747 with the parking brake on.

    There's just way too many little stories, as well as hard facts, that all point to the same thing. Whether this is paranoia or not I will never trust them to tell the truth or to reveal any corruption that would shed a bad light on this regime, media included.

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    Here's my truth: Will the govt push us as far as they can? Absolutely. To the point of herding us all into concentration camps? HIGHLY unlikely. Highly restrict guns to make America "safe"? Absolutely. Can we stop it? Absolutely.

    I'm a positive person and I don't like any negative energy. Imo, there is NO good in spending any energy in a negative way, speculating highly unlikely doom and gloom. I'd much rather spend positive energy fighting this very real restriction process....afa preparing, I live on a farm and raise my own food and have all hand tools, to do everything by hand. I write my Reps and am a member of the NRA and GOA and I vote. IMO, I'm doing everything I can. I choose to live like this, is it to prepare for a food/gas shortage? Maybe, but mostly it's how I and my wife grew up and it makes Momma happy and when Momma's happy, everybody's happy...lol
     
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    CCHGN

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    10-4 Frank. Even the model airplane hobby is dealing with morons in government that don't know the difference between a line of sight R/C model airplane and an UAV flying itself miles away from the launch point. Just like firearms they want to lump them all together with some outrageous restrictions/rules that would all but destroy the model airplane hobby. Rick

    Yeah, I's reading an article about that. RC are getting bigger and bigger and UAV are getting smaller and smaller the Fed is trying to figure out how to deal with this. There's all kinds of "UFO's" (not space ships- drone or RC) in the air now. There's been several near misses with "UFO" and aircraft.
     

    ilintner

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    one of the reasons I have stopped posting and/or visiting this site so much...bunch of damn paranoid conspiracists.

    At one point, this was a gun forum instead of a political forum

    Don't lie Kenny, you've been busy digging a bunker and wrapping it in tin foil... at least thats my theory :D.
     
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