Yeah you cant shoot greenies at Shoal River Sporting Clays either. reason: after years of shooting them they got a few Richochets and wondered why, when they tore the berm apart to mine lead they found balls of the steel cores massed together and some were actually flying back...ouchies. I would rather waste 55gr FMJ and save the penetrators for when I need them. A lot of ranges are now "No green tips" and I now Understand why.