The Armchair Quarterback. Comments & debate on LE, Mil and Civ Use of Force

[Droshki]

Slipper slope for sure, if you don't play by the rules then you run the risk of someone else not following them either.

Bingo.

 

[MAXman]

How, and to what extent do pain meds affect a blood alcohol content?

 

[John B.]

How, and to what extent do pain meds affect a blood alcohol content?

Varies from person to person...

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[JBryan314]

The guy cop definitely being a jackass and should be dealt with accordingly.
However, if a drunk idiot killed my kid, you can bet your ass I'd be there drawing the blood myself, and fuck the perp's "privacy policy" they kinda left that by the wayside when they decided to drive while hammered or high.


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The driver who killed someone was dead. The person the jackass cop was trying to draw blood from was never a suspect. He was never suspected of driving hammered or high, and had already been given narcotics by the medical staff.

 

[JBryan314]

Yep, go get the warrant and let the guy sober up while the papers get drawn up, even if he wreaks of booze and there's a bottle of bourbon on the floorboard...


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A warrant can be obtained in minutes. Happens all the time.

 

[JBryan314]

After some reading, I've found out that the guy whose blood drawing was in question was not the suspect. I was erroneously under the impression he was the suspect, and had been drinking.
Please disregard...

Right.

 

[Dan1612]

You are correct Sir.
I was misinformed.


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[JBryan314]

Sounds like your grinding the axe about dozens of cases of repeated abuse. As vocal as you are about this "abuse and intimidation" you surely reported it. Please reference a few written responses you have received from the listed LE Agencies or their supervisory authorities in regard to your complaints.

Seems odd that preceived abuse and intimidation, reported once or several times would continue if violations of policy and conduct standards were actually found. Either way, their would be a official response and further action by the hospital and or multiple employees if not corrected or satisfied with the response and result during subsequent encounters.

I called the house supervisor on every single incident and most of the time, the administrator on call was contacted by house supervisor. Being a charge nurse, I had plenty of other shit to deal with after my house supervisor showed up to handle the LEOs. I didn't go above my supervisors to make a report myself. My floor manager was also notified the next day every time.

 

[JBryan314]

All we did was ask if the person was under arrest. Answer was always "no". Well then we can't release that info. Go ask the patient. That wasn't good enough. Warrant? Apparently they don't need a warrant, as far as they're concerned, or thought they couldn't get one. I don't know. Fuck them. Not my job to help them cut corners.

I don't expect them to know all of the ins and outs of the patient privacy laws, but is it too much to ask that they listen to us when we try to tell them this stuff?

 

[wildrider666]

I called the house supervisor on every single incident and most of the time, the administrator on call was contacted by house supervisor. Being a charge nurse, I had plenty of other shit to deal with after my house supervisor showed up to handle the LEOs. I didn't go above my supervisors to make a report myself. My floor manager was also notified the next day every time.

So the hospital's senior management "handled it" but intimidation and abuse continues, you report it and nothing happens. You know you have Rights as you often opinion about them (+ the above incidents), yet you choose not to hold your employer (who has a duty to protect hospital interests and employees) accountable nor do you directly file a complaint on your behalf or collectively with the other abused Staff.
It's a shame nobody wants to properly and formally address this issue.

 

[MAXman]

Varies from person to person...

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honestly curious because I know very little about biology, but how does it affect it at all? Are many/most/any pain medications alcohol based, or have any content? Same question for sedatives. Or do they help or inhibit the body in processing out alcohol?

I understand if someone shots up on heroine and is given morphine, but wouldn't stimulants or alcohol content be discernible from whatever the hospitol administered?

 

[JBryan314]

So the hospital's senior management "handled it" but intimidation and abuse continues, you report it and nothing happens. You know you have Rights as you often opinion about them (+ the above incidents), yet you choose not to hold your employer (who has a duty to protect hospital interests and employees) accountable nor do you directly file a complaint on your behalf or collectively with the other abused Staff.
It's a shame nobody wants to properly and formally address this issue.

Nice try at twisting it back on me, and don't bother using semantics to pretend like that's not what's going on. I figured that people wouldn't want to hear that kind of stuff, but sometimes reality isn't comfortable. Next time I'll be sure to file a formal complaint and I'll come back here to show you the copies.

 

[wildrider666]

Nice try at twisting it back on me, and don't bother using semantics to pretend like that's not what's going on. I figured that people wouldn't want to hear that kind of stuff, but sometimes reality isn't comfortable. Next time I'll be sure to file a formal complaint and I'll come back here to show you the copies.

Your bashing three LE Agencies and saying the probem has not been fixed. I have zero problems when LE screws the pooch on any level and is appropriately held accountable. You say abuse and intimidation from LE is still going on, which makes me wonder WHY. It can only be a failure of: reporting, corrective action (if appropriate: Policy/conduct vs complaint) and responses to the Hospital management or complainant. You reported its a problem impacting a lot of hospital Staff. I'm not twisting or turning anything, There are clear responsibilities. If Agencies have been informed (several times?) of the issues and not responded, that is a major issue that needs to be formally presented to their supervising authority. If your chain of command and human resources dept are broken and not properly addressing what could be a unlawful and creating a hostile work environment: you have other options if you wish to persue them. I'm not poking with a stick. I am trying to show support for options you have probably already considered. Anyone who has read your other posts knows you speak whats on your mind and don't sugar coat it. I don't think you would appreciate me tip toeing around the issues either, no disrespect intended by my bluntness.

 

[JBryan314]

Your bashing three LE Agencies and saying the probem has not been fixed. I have zero problems when LE screws the pooch on any level and is appropriately held accountable. You say abuse and intimidation from LE is still going on, which makes me wonder WHY. It can only be a failure of: reporting, corrective action (if appropriate: Policy/conduct vs complaint) and responses to the Hospital management or complainant. You reported its a problem impacting a lot of hospital Staff. I'm not twisting or turning anything, There are clear responsibilities. If Agencies have been informed (several times?) of the issues and not responded, that is a major issue that needs to be formally presented to their supervising authority. If your chain of command and human resources dept are broken and not properly addressing what could be a unlawful and creating a hostile work environment: you have other options if you wish to persue them. I'm not poking with a stick. I am trying to show support for options you have probably already considered. Anyone who has read your other posts knows you speak whats on your mind and don't sugar coat it. I don't think you would appreciate me tip toeing around the issues either, no disrespect intended by my bluntness.

I don't take any disrespect, and I don't take anything you said personally or hold it against you. I'm just preempting what I expect most people to throw at me.

I don't think it's really bashing if it's something that's actually happening.

Thinking back, I know of one incident where my house supervisor got finished talking with the state trooper and then told me she was going to call a supervisor. She's a person who does what she says so I believe she probably did that. What action was taken I don't know.

Consider the fact that it never got any better, maybe I'll have to go ahead a report the behavior immediately myself before the end of the shift. I have confidence in my immediate supervisors but I have little confidence in HR.

We'Ve also had a lot of problems with corrections officers, making inappropriate comments to female nurses, antagonizing the prisoner/patient while we are trying to work with them, etc. I personally know one of the Captains at SRCI and I called him once, and we haven't seen the problem COs since then.

I guess it helps to know someone, but maybe not always. My brother in law would not be any help at all. Years ago I often spoke with him about political and liberty based concepts. We had a lot of discussions about the 1st Amendment, tons about the 2nd, a good bit about the 4th, 5th and 10th. Once he graduated the academy and got hired, it took him about two months to pull a 180 on the 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments, and developed several anti-2A positions. He is very impressionable and I had the wheels turning very smoothly in his head in a Liberty based direction. Seems someone, or many someones, has turned them in the other direction.

 

[Droshki]

Former officer's sentence on drug charge stirs outrage


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- A former police sergeant was caught on camera stealing drugs from the Grants Police Department and then giving those drugs to his girlfriend. Roshern McKinney accepted a plea deal and won't have to spend one day in jail.

 

[Droshki]

City fires 2 aviation officers involved in dragging man off United flight

An investigation by the city’s Office of Inspector General found that three aviation security officers and one aviation security sergeant “mishandled” the situation, according to the office’s third-quarter report, released Tuesday.


The investigation also found that employees had made misleading statements and “deliberately removed material facts from their reports.”

 

[wildrider666]

Former officer's sentence on drug charge stirs outrage

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- A former police sergeant was caught on camera stealing drugs from the Grants Police Department and then giving those drugs to his girlfriend. Roshern McKinney accepted a plea deal and won't have to spend one day in jail.

No Use of Force in this issue.

 

[Droshki]

No Use of Force in this issue.

So you're totally cool with it? THEFT isn't by force?

 

[fl57caveman]

theft implies PD "owned" the drugs.....like they bought them..

they seized them, via drug laws, and the officer "took" them, as he had keys most likely...
no force there.

so arrest him for possession, not theft

 

[Droshki]

Ill stop.

I've provided plenty of examples of grievous behaviors by some police officers. I know you were just looking for cases where you could easily defend the officer by saying the black kid deserved what he got, but the problems with some police officers are indeed serious, the root causes are complex, and the fact that most Americans wish to ignore it has given rise to the kneeling protests in the NFL, NBA and and many more places.