ECSO Pay Raises

[IronBeard]

Can only opine based on what I've seen in Okaloosa. On the surface something just don't sit right with someone wearing a badge saying pay me more and I'll care more and do more. I assume folks knew what they were getting into when they applied, and if conditions changed, they've still made a decision to stay. It's a job. If it were all about selfless service, we wouldn't be discussing pay.

I also understand that someone may be so far along that they feel they can't change jobs. Still, that person has made the decision to stay. 23 years in the mil here; had an opportunity to walk every time I came up for reenlistment. Weighed the options and I made the choice to stay, and wasn't always ecstatic about that choice. Life.

Oh yeah. I was recruited by a northern PD. Number one score on written exam, number two all-time score in state for physical portion, number one on the hiring list. After carefully considering my career path, and what they wanted vs what I wanted, I went another direction.

Good luck to you guys to the west. Can't blame you for wanting more, but I won't pay one dime willingly, and doubly so for OCSD.....

 

[fl57caveman]

the answer around my house when I need more money for something needed, is not to try and make more, or take it from someone else, the answer is to find areas you can reduce money from, to add to the column
that needs help.


give me a sharpie, and a copy of the county budget, and I will find something to reduce and shift over to the police...but earmark it for deputy salaries, not more equipment

lineitem veto is the word...most state gov have it, but the whitehouse doesn't

congress does not want that power to slip thru their greedy fingers...same reasoning that they do not have term limits


cut costs, but not in my district, we are special....:hurt:

 

[IronBeard]

the answer around my house when I need more money for something needed, is not to try and make more, or take it from someone else, the answer is to find areas you can reduce money from, to add to the column
that needs help.


give me a sharpie, and a copy of the county budget, and I will find something to reduce and shift over to the police...but earmark it for deputy salaries, not more equipment

lineitem veto is the word...most state gov have it, but the whitehouse doesn't

congress does not want that power to slip thru their greedy fingers...same reasoning that they do not have term limits


cut costs, but not in my district, we are special....:hurt:

Hmmm. Two guys to a car = less cars and increased officer safety. Win/win. Just a suggestion..........

 

[John B.]

I don't think anyone read the article, Dante...

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[Dan1612]

I don't think anyone read the article, Dante...

Nope... sad really.

Just asking for a quick email to help those who would help us in our darkest hour. We can write a novel on our sovereign citizen bullshit, or how the military deserves more (completely irrelevant to this thread), or some self-validating nonsense about your military service is easy (I served too), but a line asking the commissioners to reassess the budget for the sake of those who selflessly wouldn't question what it took to save our selfish asses when it came to it, is just too much . 3%...
Go on a ride along and tell me that $15 an hour is too much.
Sad.

 

[latch]

opcorn:
Haven't enjoyed one of these since Freddy Gray played pinball in that Baltimore paddy wagon....oh those were fun days on the forum.

I read the article. Lots of people see the problem no one sees a solution. Maybe print more money:hippie:

I see one solution:
"Only three commissioners were present at the meeting: Steve Barry, Grover Robinson and Doug Underhill." How about we withhold the pay of those other two scumbags and put it back in the budget? When do we pay people to not do their job?

Obviously it's a question of priorities. If midnight basketball in Brownsville and free frisbees are your thing, then pay for them by all means.

Back to my cave.

 

[Dan1612]

Actually, the $15 isn't even the issue, it's the fact that it really won't go up very much at all. Ever. This is all because there's no room in the budget to increase that later on.
Imagine making not much more than E-1 pay when you've been in long enough to make E-7 and retire. If you don't see that as a problem, you just might be part of it.

 

[fl57caveman]

Hmmm. Two guys to a car = less cars and increased officer safety. Win/win. Just a suggestion..........

that is the way it was when I grew up....and we had PD walking their beats too, stopping in at local businesses, asking if everything had been ok that week....they knew the people then...

now, everyone is a suspect mentality has taken over, and I know safety concerns are part of that mindset, but let't get back to a more personal basis with the citizens.

jmho

 

[fl57caveman]

Wow. It's hard to believe that not to many are on board for raises for our guys and gals in blue working the streets. Maybe most are just butthurt cause they received a speeding ticket or some other violation for doing what they know is against the law. They should get more money. Would you want to do their job???

I am quite completely sure, I deserved every ticket I ever got, from my first to the last, and have gotten out of many also, I think, by being respectfully polite

I have paid, over my entire life, hundreds of dollars in fines, but I see the urgent need to give them raises..

 

[fl57caveman]

I like this, just noticed it on your tag line...


The founding fathers would be shooting by now .

 

[IronBeard]

that is the way it was when I grew up....and we had PD walking their beats too, stopping in at local businesses, asking if everything had been ok that week....they knew the people then...

now, everyone is a suspect mentality has taken over, and I know safety concerns are part of that mindset, but let't get back to a more personal basis with the citizens.

jmho

Yeah, I remember. When we were kids, we had police. Today we have law enforcement. Think that explains the divide on both sides.

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[fl57caveman]

Yeah, I remember. When we were kids, we had police. Today we have law enforcement. Think that explains the divide on both sides.

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I know people who truly got on the bad side of the law, and have records, and some, that due to officer discretion, chose not to charge some kids I knew, and today, those kids are responsible clean adults...

of the others, some are dead, some in prison, etc...

but now, it is a source of income for the county, and I am not blaming the cops, but the politicians behind the scenes, who do not want to be on record for higher taxes, and see this as a viable source of cash


in the meantime, more with records for truly youthful indiscretions, that now have to live with mommy and daddy because they can't get a good job...

 

[pcolapaddler]

The other thing to remember... IIRC, the sheriff is the only county office that still pays longevity pay. Again, IIRC, the rest did away with it several years ago.

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[pcolapaddler]

With respect to raising taxes, the county budget is expecting a shortfall of several million. Yes that is due, in part, to the jail issue. IIRC, someone - I believe spokesperson for the sheriff's dept - was on a local radio show suggesting that, if the county couldn't afford the raises that they could raise millage rates.

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[John B.]

Funny thing about taxes... once they are implemented, they rarely are repealed.

That 4cent/gallon gas tax to fund Ecat.... I wonder what kind of surplus they have now?

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[fl57caveman]

Funny thing about taxes... once they are implemented, they rarely are repealed.

That 4cent/gallon gas tax to fund Ecat.... I wonder what kind of surplus they have now?

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I have never seen an ecat bus even half full..

just saying

 

[John B.]

I have never seen an ecat bus even half full..

just saying

I drive 800 miles a week, mainly in escambia county, mainly in the ghetto... not many people use e-cat at all.

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[Famine]

It would be interesting to know how many of those riders use the bus as their sole means of transportation for work....

 

[fl57caveman]

downsizing with smaller buses would make more sense if they are never to capacity

 

[bobinbusan]

Old joe public will be holding the bag again on this one