Active Shooter on NAS Pensacola 6 Dec 2019

[wildrider666]

DoD Directive 5210.56, Section 4 covers Authority for CC by persons not primarily assigned LE duties. This has been out for a few years. Seems like a pretty straightforward request, anybody ask for permission? Response?

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/agopinions/521056DoDDirectiveonFirearms.pdf

 

[Ric-san]

It’s allowed at Hurlburt, or so I’ve heard

I work on Hurlburt Field...if you have a CCW you are allowed to have you handgun secured in your vehicle, not inside or on your person while working.

 

[FrommerStop]

I work on Hurlburt Field...if you have a CCW you are allowed to have you handgun secured in your vehicle, not inside or on your person while working.

Maybe the air force has more sense than does the navy or army. IIRC it was the air force general curtis lemay that adopted the Armalite designed M16 and so maybe that carries over to more sensible gun regulations.

 

[Ric-san]

While I’m not an pilot, I am an aircraft mechanic. While in the Marines I was an Instructor at both NAS Memphis and helped transition NATTC/MATSG to NAS Pensacola in 1996-97 time frame. As a aircraft structural mechanic, I taught the Structures Course on base. We also had many foreign national students go through our school, both Saudi and Kuwaiti. For the most part 99% of them we dumb as dirt. Not all spoke English. They were mostly NCO’s who were here to learn several trades and then go back home to be the “expert” back where they came from. We COULD NOT fail them. We were given orders to hand grade each test BEFORE it was put into the scanner to be graded. Every now and then you got someone who really was a good mechanic and humble vs feeling entitled. I once got onto a student for his lack of trying...he was the son of a tribal elder in Kuwait who fought the Iraqi’s during the gulf war. His dad was basically a patriot for fighting the enemy instead of bugging out like the Kuwaiti royals. He told me he didn’t care to become a better trained mechanic because back home all real hard maintenance was done by American and British contractors. These guys were spoiled. I remember calling a tow truck to have some Cadillac towed that was parked in staff parking...it was a Saudi and he was mad as hell...I didn’t care, sucked to be him while I watched Bubba tow his car away...

 

[MauserLarry]

maybe a little more info here-if true

https://rense.com/general96/the-pensacola-tragedy-from-someone-who-knows.php

 

[fl57caveman]

I would deport every stinking one of them...I don't care if they were born here or not, hit the road.....

 

[FLT]

If anyone here knew of a planed mass shooting and did nothing they would spend the rest of their lives in prison, if they filmed it they would be charged with murder. What’s so special about these individuals that they aren’t being held to the same standards? How long would an American live if he did the same thing in their country?

 

[IronBeard]

i would like to see veterans organizations along with others hold the actual admiral etc that signed off on the gun bans responsible and put them out of the service. At least make their names and signatures public on these gun policies. Our military bases should not present safe working conditions for terrorists engaging in the killing of our service personnel.
The fact that civilian law enforcement had to enter a base to neutralized a terrorist is shameful. Sounds like a team of terrorists could take over the entire base.

It's more than just NAS and their outlying fields. As far as I know, Hurlburt is the only base in the local area that allows CCW on base. But they must be kept/secured in your vehicle, and if you must leave your vehicle, you must stay within the "vicinity" of your vehicle. 1 SOSFS tells me "vicinity" = three feet, although that is not published in base CCW guidance.......

 

[IronBeard]

" bring my legally/authorized CCW inside rather than leaving it in my vehicle."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you work on a military base this is illegal also.

Most local bases, yes, not Hurlburt. On Hurlburt CCW is authorized if you are assigned/work on Hurlburt, but your CCW must be kept/secured in your vehicle.

 

[IronBeard]

Maybe the air force has more sense than does the navy or army. IIRC it was the air force general curtis lemay that adopted the Armalite designed M16 and so maybe that carries over to more sensible gun regulations.

Not sure about other services, but the AF delegated the authority to allow CCW to installation commanders. Commanders move on after 2-3 years unless they have been parked to work their retirement, so there is a chance policy could be changed by a new commander, but the current commander can also make a change at any time. In the end, even if NAS had a policy similar to Hurlburt, it would not have helped since CCWs would not have been allowed in the building(s).

FWIW; Not sure if this is still true or not, but it used to be that once an officer made O7, they were authorized daily carry of a sidearm, concealed if need be. Something about their stature/importance making them worthy of carry, IIRC. I know this because I once worked for a one-star who was offered the weapon upon promotion and openly refused it.

 

[Pompnewbie]

If anyone here knew of a planed mass shooting and did nothing they would spend the rest of their lives in prison, if they filmed it they would be charged with murder. What’s so special about these individuals that they aren’t being held to the same standards? How long would an American live if he did the same thing in their country?

Still waiting to hear what they are doing to the others who either watched, filmed, or even just had knowledge and didn't say shit..
But im sure the billions the royals are paying us to "train" these arrogant pricks will see Thier precious Innocents home safely.

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[wildrider666]

News reports state all Saudi military students have been "re-screened", so it appears there's little to preclude the resumption of their training. I think that's B.S. because if they screened the Saudi Lt's Record up to the time he started shooting it would have been just as "clean" as what the Feds found with the rest of them. They need to move all flt training for foreign military students to Gitmo, have an air to air hot runway alert jet idling and arm all flt flt instructors. This allow an opertunity to shoot them or shoot them down before they can pull a 9/11 Stateside.

 

[fl57caveman]

The Pensacola rampage is being investigated as an "act of domestic terrorism," but federal authorities have yet to definitively call it a terrorist attack.Sources told ABC News that investigators determined the shooting was likely a "terror" attack inspired by radical Islamic ideology.On Sept. 11, four months before the massacre, Alshamrani posted a cryptic phrase on the internet, writing "the countdown has started", according to a Joint Intelligence Bulletin obtained by ABC News.


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/terrorist...auN6LmeGJyCyDfNhBqRlHJo9GkYJoHkww1Gl6gmm8D6BN
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[Bay Ranger]

Domestic? What the hell could me the motive in calling it domestic? Bunch of crap. The guy was Islamic, he was temporarily here! Next there are going to call the hijackings on 9/11 domestic because the event happened on American soil and they were in the U.S. temporarily legally?

 

[wildrider666]

Our Feds and the Saudi Gov "want it" to be listed as Domestic Terrorism or plain old work place violence. Those labels eliminate the Saudis State connection with the Act and removes all reasons to push for an end to U.S./Saudi relations/support. Bullying/name calling "Porn Stache" was mentioned in the Media, feeds the "workplace" narrative but in actuality it is common for flyers to be assigned a "Call Sign" name from something relating to the individual.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

Our Feds and the Saudi Gov "want it" to be listed as Domestic Terrorism or plain old work place violence. Those labels eliminate the Saudis State connection with the Act and removes all reasons to push for an end to U.S./Saudi relations/support. Bullying/name calling "Porn Stache" was mentioned in the Media, feeds the "workplace" narrative but in actuality it is common for flyers to be assigned a "Call Sign" name from something relating to the individual.

Aviator callsigns are different than the "Porn-Stache" non-event. That was just a funny wisecrack from an instructor in an academic environment during aviation training. That skinny little coward should've grown thicker skin, and the phrase "Lighten up, Francis" should've been the command chain's FIRST response to his BS formal complaint hurt-feelings report. The SECOND response should've been to start the paperwork to kick his overly-sensitive ass out of here because he was demonstrably way too mentally unstable to handle the rigors of military aviation, let alone military aviation in combat.

He didn't deserve a callsign... but I have quite a few names for that skinny desert shit-stain. And his worthless family for sending him as a REPRESENTATIVE of their Nation... pretty much sums up what those walking crap-bags are worth.

Merry CHRISTmas, everyone. Thank God we live in this great Nation.

 

[B52]

Just like the Muslim Army Major killing troop in Texas. Obumber called it work place violence. The fact Muslims are actively committing terrorist violence isn’t the narrative the deep state wants to hear.