There are over three hundred million people in the U.S. Coming from someone who worked in the mental health field, there is no amount of money you can put into the mental health field that will stop this type of thing. Increased mental health services will be as ineffective as gun control at stopping mass killings.

I've always wondered what the fuck everyone thinks mental healthcare is supposed to do about this kind of thing.

My point is there are fewer state mental institutions for long term treatment and more community care facilities whose only option is Rx. Our jail system is increasingly serving as replacements - from Wiki. So we have folks with significant issues that function normally when taking their meds and when they choose not to - what then. Are you saying their is no need for more long term institutional base care?

The United States has experienced two waves of deinstitutionalization. Wave one began in the 1950s and targeted people with mental illness.[71] The second wave began roughly fifteen years after and focused on individuals who had been diagnosed with a developmental disability (e.g. mentally retarded).[71]

A process of indirect cost-shifting may have led to a form of "re-institutionalization" through the increased use of jail detention for those with mental disorders deemed unmanageable and noncompliant.[72] In summer 2009, author and columnist Heather Mac Donald stated in City Journal, "jails have become society’s primary mental institutions, though few have the funding or expertise to carry out that role properly... at Rikers, 28 percent of the inmates require mental health services, a number that rises each year."[

JBryan314 said:

Kevin08, care to respond to something specific or would you rather just make vague jokes?

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Sure, speculative fear-monger claims such as "there's a war against cops, whites, and Christians" and that every Syrian refugee is secretly an ISIS splinter-cell waiting to blow up your house is about as tragically comical as it is ridiculous. Thus the tinfoil.

This is a terrible tragedy that's happened. Going to the extreme in speculation immediately after the incident is no better than the knee-jerk reaction of demanding more gun control - you're just acting on the other side of the spectrum.

If the shooter really did make that post on 4chan, the 'anonymous' posters who took it halfheartedly and gave him tips about carrying out an attack (either jokingly or seriously, you can never tell who is or isn't socially defunct on 4chan), or encouraged him, are the ones we should be talking about. There was an opportunity for them to take action that could have allowed some proactive law enforcement. But, they were the usual 4chan jack-offs and now 10 people are dead.

26 yrs old, never had a girlfriend....lives in mama's basement....internet chat freak...liked the va shooter that killed the two on live tv...sounds like an atheist fag to me...

detached from reality...

JBryan314 said:

There are over three hundred million people in the U.S. Coming from someone who worked in the mental health field, there is no amount of money you can put into the mental health field that will stop this type of thing. Increased mental health services will be as ineffective as gun control at stopping mass killings.

I've always wondered what the fuck everyone thinks mental healthcare is supposed to do about this kind of thing.

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you can' t fix everyone....some you just have to flush...

Kevin08 said:

Sure, speculative fear-monger claims such as "there's a war against cops, whites, and Christians" and that every Syrian refugee is secretly an ISIS splinter-cell waiting to blow up your house is about as tragically comical as it is ridiculous. Thus the tinfoil.

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...fear-monger claims ... Thus the tinfoil.

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Well rather than tinfoil hats we could always just Saran Wrap our heads and bury them in the sand.

..."there's a war against cops, whites, and Christians"

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Try taking a serious look around the world now as opposed to, well just , a few years ago.

...every Syrian refugee is secretly an ISIS splinter-cell waiting to blow up your house...

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Doesn't have to be every one of them. Just takes one to make for a very bad day in our country.

But believe it or not I do appreciate your opinions and input Kevin, they do serve a purpose of keeping us all grounded in these times.:thumb: And my apologies if any of the above responses sounded kinda, well... bitchy.

I am so sick at what a stoopid potus we have...He rails for more gun control, just as on that campus they had 100% gun control! This coming from a man who just gave $ and nukes to a terrorist nation and when abortion comes up says noting about killing American babies. This past weekend and almost every week of the year there are 20+ murders in Chicago again 100% gun control, there were 10 in Oregon, where is he on that? Gun free zones are death traps!

On the site, Christopher Harper Mercer, 26, who killed nine people and injured seven at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg before he was shot and killed by police, describes his politics as “Republican” and his interests as “killing zombies,” meditation, the occult and punk-rock music.
He also made clear that he had a disdain for organized religion.
Using the handle “IronCross45,” Mercer describes himself as a “not religious,” man who lives with his parents. He belonged to a group on the site who shared common interests in “magick and the occult.”
Under the category of “Religious Views,” Mercer wrote that he is not religious but is “spiritual” and was interested in “pagan” and “wiccan.”
He listed “vampire, piercings, psychic, tattoos” under the category of “Individuality.”
Mercer’s tactics, searching for Christians and killing them, bore a remarkable similarity to the Columbine High School incident where the shooters also targeted Christians, including Rachel Scott, who was the first to be killed for her faith that fateful day on April 20, 1999.



Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael Welner, MD, told Fox News the pattern is familiar of someone who recognizes from watching others that they are going to be made “larger than life.”
“This converges with someone who recognizes he’s a failure as a man,” Welner said, “and that he can go overnight from a nobody to a celebrity.
“He admired that he could get the attention from killing alone. And by saying something as callous as ‘pray, because you’re about to be meet your maker’ or whatever he said,” Welner added. “He admired that he could get the attention from killing alone. Hey, what can I do that’s outrageous, and where can I target where people are defenseless and wont’ stop me from killing as many people as I can get away with.”



The gunman shot a professor and then ordered cowering students to stand up and state their religion before he shot them one by one, according to survivors' accounts.
Another seven guns and a significant stockpile of ammunition were found at the apartment he shared with his mother in nearby Winchester, about 170 miles (273 km) south of Portland, Nunez said.
Although authorities have disclosed scant information about the gunman, they appeared to be learning more about him and why he might have opened fire.
The shooter left behind a "multipage, hate-filled" statement in the classroom, according to a tweet from an NBC reporter, citing multiple law enforcement sources who were not identified. Citing unspecified sources, CNN said the statement showed animosity toward blacks.



At some point of his life, Harper-Mercer appears to have been sympathetic to the Irish Republican Army, a militant group that waged a violent campaign to drive the British from Northern Ireland. On an undated Myspace page, he posted photos of masked IRA gunmen carrying assault rifles.
Harper-Mercer was born in the United Kingdom and arrived in the United States as a young boy, his stepsister Carmen Nesnick told CBS Los Angeles.
After the shooting, Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg received 10 patients, including one who died in the emergency room, hospital officials told reporters on Friday. Three were transported to other facilities because they needed a higher level of care, four required surgery, and two were treated and released. All were treated for gunshot wounds.

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I lived in OR for several years. Other then the lottery system for big game tags, it was not a bad place. Just as northerners migrate south on retirement, Cali folks sell out and retire in OR, WA and ID. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands moving. Census figures list this. They bring their vocal dem views and upset the prior social balance, hence new restrictive gun laws.

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Scumbag murderer WAS a transplant from CA four years ago!

Brandon_SPC said:

History will eventually repeat itself.... Just have to decide what side you will be on.

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At least we will not have to write new documents: just send the existing Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights to the Tyrannical Government!

Idoono said:

Notice how the press has become quite quiet regarding the religion thing. Makes me think more and more that the scumbag was a Muslim.

Idoono

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Notice how bamalama and the media started tossing mental health issues into the lead? Not one fact or lead or rumor that Scumbag had any mental health issues! Look for a mental health check requirement prior to gun purchase Law.

Have you also noticed how this issue is being framed as potentially religous hate and not extreme Islamic ISIS type terrorism? Oh, bamalama does not want another HS failure on his record. Just like FT Hood was work place violence. THAT IS WHY bamalama just wants this to be another school shooting so he can also b press his anti gun agenda. SMOKE AND MIRRORS folks.

had a black mother, white father, but sources are saying had white supremacy leanings....

wildrider666 said:

Scumbag murderer WAS a transplant from CA four years ago!

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born in U.K . came here as a kid....

So the president wants us to be more like Australia huh? Where guns don't exist?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...lding-in-australia-reports-say/?intcmp=hplnws

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had a black mother, white father, but sources are saying had white supremacy leanings....

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Sounds like the polar opposite of Obama...

fl57caveman said:

had a black mother, white father, but sources are saying had white supremacy leanings....

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And a supporter of this Republicanism:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...s-british-born-supported-irish-republicanism/

Not the same as the Republican Party in the USA.

But we all new that....

Three pistols and an AR-style rifle were found at the scene, sources said...

Massad Ayoob comments on this...

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/

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Notice how bamalama and the media started tossing mental health issues into the lead? Not one fact or lead or rumor that Scumbag had any mental health issues! ...........snip.............

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They're reporting that he went to a special school for nut cases. Sounds like he had a history mental illness to me.

Next, we'll hear that he was on some psych meds...