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    For all the concealed carry only gun owners and unconcerned with the change to open carry. If you conceal carry you are one zealous cop's bad attitude from arrest. With open carry you are immune to the an unlawful police action.
    I have a permit to carry so the threat of police action against me i think is very low BUT open carry imho invites a thug to snatch it from me ...as i said i am not opposed to open carry its just not for me . After some reading about the legal issues of constitutional carry I jumped on getting a permit
     
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    When i looked into permit vs constitutional carry there was some grey area about having a handgun in the car ,it is my understanding that a permit erases all problems with carrying in a car .
    People in power are not angles. A cop has power of arrest. Having a gun concealed doesn't prevent him from saying you were carrying it openly. Who is right in a court, is down to your word against his. The court will believe the cop over you without supporting evidence. The idea concealed carry solves the problems of unlawful authority is foolish. The point of a law restricting open carry is to have control of the people. Concealed carry doesn't make you immune to unlawful authority. It wasn't that long ago local Sheriff Office had problems described in the about GA. https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/sa...-up-in-dismissed-shooting-case/#axzz8QaVMUd8m There is no guarantee that it won't come back.
     

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    People in power are not angles. A cop has power of arrest. Having a gun concealed doesn't prevent him from saying you were carrying it openly. Who is right in a court, is down to your word against his. The court will believe the cop over you without supporting evidence. The idea concealed carry solves the problems of unlawful authority is foolish. The point of a law restricting open carry is to have control of the people. Concealed carry doesn't make you immune to unlawful authority. It wasn't that long ago local Sheriff Office had problems described in the about GA. https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/sa...-up-in-dismissed-shooting-case/#axzz8QaVMUd8m There is no guarantee that it won't come back.
    3rd time ...i would not oppose open carry
     

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    People in power are not angles. A cop has power of arrest. Having a gun concealed doesn't prevent him from saying you were carrying it openly. Who is right in a court, is down to your word against his. The court will believe the cop over you without supporting evidence. The idea concealed carry solves the problems of unlawful authority is foolish. The point of a law restricting open carry is to have control of the people. Concealed carry doesn't make you immune to unlawful authority. It wasn't that long ago local Sheriff Office had problems described in the about GA. https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/sa...-up-in-dismissed-shooting-case/#axzz8QaVMUd8m There is no guarantee that it won't come back.
    In Florida it is written in the statute (790.053) that it is ok to briefly have your concealed weapon visible briefly as long as it is not done in an angry or threatening manner. That's the "my shirt came up" or "my jacket blew open" law that allows for real life to happen without an overzealous officer making weak cases.
     

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    As long as the cop agrees. The court will take the cops view of events over yours. Like judge Roy Bean’s ruling on the murdered of a Chinaman at the hands of an Irish mob. Since the judges safety was at peril from the Irish mob. The judge couldn’t find a law against killing a Chinaman in his law book. So he ruled no murder took place. Like the law-fare attacks that are done to Trump
     

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    try that in court

    Luke 22:36 “He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.”​


    Nehemiah 4:17-18 “Who were building on the wall. Those who carried burdens were loaded in such a way that each labored on the work with one hand and held his weapon with the other. And each of the builders had his sword strapped at his side while he built. The man who sounded the trumpet was beside me.”​


    First Peter 5:8 “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”​

    Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”​

    Luke 11:21

    21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe.
     

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    As long as the cop agrees. The court will take the cops view of events over yours. Like judge Roy Bean’s ruling on the murdered of a Chinaman at the hands of an Irish mob. Since the judges safety was at peril from the Irish mob. The judge couldn’t find a law against killing a Chinaman in his law book. So he ruled no murder took place. Like the law-fare attacks that are done to Trump
    Has this actually happened to you or anyone you know personally? I ask because it seems a bit of a reach for an officer, in the days of body cams and cell phones, to claim something was openly carried when it wasn't. There's even a clause in the 790 statutes that states that "this section will be liberally construed in favor of the right to bear arms" or some language that clearly communicates any benefit of a doubt should go to a lawful gun owner. I get that people have concerns, and when guns are in play those concerns get a bit of an edge on them because the stakes are higher. Cops lose court cases all the time so the idea that a court will always side with the officer is not true by a long shot.

    I'm not even against the idea of lawful open carry, either. I started off by saying it should be our right to do so, but I can't see one of the justifications for it being that an officer could act outside the law and arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit.
     

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    At this point I believe any person not conclusively proven by unbiased means to be a viable threat to themselves/society ought to be able to own whatever they want, but should certainly be held responsible for any true harm their actions might cause.

    My heartburn with the whole FL "constitutional" carry things is that it is not, IMO, Constitutional carry. What we got is concealed carry without a permit. Sure, that's better than no carry. It's also better than hitting your thumb with a framing hammer...

    We were told we were getting one thing, got something, and still strain to believe we weren't lied to. Nope. Words matter. X10 when that words is Constitutional.
     

    Skip Palmer

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    I think we should be able to open carry and then have the sense not to, or do so after considering the time and place. And, I think we can all agree that the young men who decide to use their right to open carry by toting AR’s through a toy store for a YouTube stunt aren’t doing us any favors politically.

    I recognize it’s a debate, and everyone has their opinions on it, but my mindset is to prepare for a trained, committed adversary. Open carry can have a deterrent effect on low level bad guys, but I don’t like tipping my hand to someone who now knows to take me out first before I can become a threat to their plans.

    Not to say there isn’t a time and place for it, but they seem few and far between for an average city dweller to me.
    I have carried for over 40 years... No one knew or put me in a position to have to use it. I also had my Dealers and Collector FFL's then.
     
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