Braced Pistols to become SBR's starting in December?

[Rebel_Rider1969]

History...


Weimar Republic
Starting with the Reichsgesetz über Schusswaffen und Munition (Reich law on firearms and ammunition), enacted on 12 April 1928, weapon purchase permits were introduced, which only allowed "authorized persons" the purchase and possession of firearms.

this paved the way for the rest of the crazy shit.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I also don't want the Hassel of sbr transfers later.

 

[Raven]

120 days for 40 million people to register and they can't even take care of a small number of suppressors and SBR in a timely fashion. They are making an impossible rule and that's what they want.

I've said it for years... it's all a trap. The whole entire rifle caliber pistol thing is a trap like ten different ways, and the brace thing is just one trap of many

 

[Raven]

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[Raven]

I've heard some people say ar15 pistols without a brace will not be affected but per the language they use the surface area on the back of the buffer tube runs afoul of the new definition.

Accordingly, the Department amends the definition of “rifle” under 27 CFR 478.11 and 479.11 to expressly state that the term “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder” includes a weapon that is equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment (e.g., a “stabilizing brace”) that provides surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder, provided other factors, as listed in the amended regulations and described in this preamble, indicate that the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. The other factors are:
(1) whether the weapon has a weight or length consistent with the weight or length of similarly designed rifles
(2) whether the weapon has a length of pull, measured from the center of the trigger to the center of the shoulder stock or other rearward accessory, component or attachment (including an adjustable or telescoping attachment with the ability to lock into various positions along a buffer tube, receiver extension, or other attachment method), that is consistent with similarly designed rifles
(3) whether the weapon is equipped with sights or a scope with eye relief that require the weapon to be fired from the shoulder in order to be used as designed
(4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations
(5) the manufacturer’s direct and indirect marketing and promotional materials indicating the intended use of the weapon
(6) information demonstrating the likely use of the weapon in the general community.
All of the objective design features and factors listed in the rule that indicate the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder are derived from the NPRM and proposed Worksheet 4999.

And there's the rest of the trap.

#1) No AR or AK pistol can comply with rule #1. They all have a weight and length consistent with the weights and lengths of similarly designed rifles... SBR rifles. The rule doesn't discern between short barrel rifles or regular length barrel rifles. It just says rifles. So all the AR and AK pistols fail, right there.

 

[Raven]

Those few individuals that would enforce the ATF's will have addresses and families, I sincerely hope they'll keep this in mind moving forward.

I'm starting to wonder just how much they meant it when the County commissioners declared Escambia County (FL) a 2A sanctuary.

Escambia County FL, declares itself a Second Amendment 'sanctuary' Officially - Sanctuary Counties

Escambia County Commissioners passed a resolution declaring the county a Second Amendment "sanctuary" Thursday night without discussion in a 3-0 vote.

sanctuarycounties.com

Leave the families and addresses out of it. Any of the "powers that be" can twist whatever you meant by that statement to fit whatever narrative they want to.

They receive all manner of training to safeguard families and addresses. No worries, ok

 

[stage20]

And there's the rest of the trap.

#1) No AR or AK pistol can comply with rule #1. They all have a weight and length consistent with the weights and lengths of similarly designed rifles... SBR rifles. The rule doesn't discern between short barrel rifles or regular length barrel rifles. It just says rifles. So all the AR and AK pistols fail, right there.

Nate proved this when he weighed his short barreled 22. I think it passed without a handguard. So all others would fail, from what I remember. It's 10 threads and a thousand posts ago.

 

[IronBeard]

It all comes down to that pesky Constitutional Oath. Will I or won't I? Do I have what it takes, or do I just keep the paychecks coming?

You either understood what you swore to uphold, or you didn't, which IMO, means you didn't care. Maybe you figured out something wasn't right after the fact, and thought you should have some understanding. Good for you, there's hope.

And then there are those that just repeated a bunch of words as a means to pay and benefits. Those who think fear is respect....

Doesn't matter. The choice has been made that determines where you now stand it. More importantly, it is perception, based on conduct, or lack thereof, that determines where society believes you stand.

 

[rossi]

I was told by a knowledgeable and reputable person that if you have the Round Pistol Tube installed with the legal length of pull, and are with in legal length requirements, you have a legal pistol and are good to go. Confirm this with a Legal Authority. I am not a Legal Authority. Just passing this on FYI.

 

[RHINOWSO]

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I wonder where "firearm", 12ga. Fits in to all of this??

 

[stage20]

I was told by a knowledgeable and reputable person that if you have the Round Pistol Tube installed with the legal length of pull, and are with in legal length requirements, you have a legal pistol and are good to go. Confirm this with a Legal Authority. I am not a Legal Authority. Just passing this on FYI.

This is an ATF ruling, not law, correct?
If you have the money to fight it in court you can win.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Also, 15-22 (Factory)pistol molded to the reciever buffer tube ???

 

[ABlaster]

*Not legal advice, just my experience and what I think is the most likely scenario*

I was on a federal task force that had a few ATF agents on it at the time during the Obama Administration (not exactly the most 2a friendly). While it was only a handful of agents in one office (and every agency has its assholes) all of them said the ATF/US Attorney's Office had zero interest in prosecuting the average gun owner for possessing a prohibited item.

There is a form they use to impound the item for destruction. If the person is attempting to sell the item, has a felony conviction, is part of a criminal gang, involved in the criminal drug trade, or using it in the commission of a crime, it's a different story. I never asked what would happen if the same person was found on several occasions with a new single item after being warned a few times before.

I wouldn't want to lose the stuff I paid my hard-earned money for because of some crappy administrative rule change that pretty clearly infringes on the 2A, but I don't think the average joe is going to get put in jail by the feds over an unregistered pistol brace.

 

[stage20]

Kinda funny how it was released on a Friday...... You'd think such stature would be Monday or Tuesday

 

[ABlaster]

Drop shady crap at close of business on a Friday and bail? Yeah, that's pretty much how the government operates!

 

[stage20]

Simple math of around 8 BILLION dollars for the government

 

[RHINOWSO]

I wouldn't want to lose the stuff I paid my hard-earned money for because of some crappy administrative rule change that pretty clearly infringes on the 2A, but I don't think the average joe is going to get put in jail by the feds over an unregistered pistol brace.

Until you admit it to them and it's a MFing slam dunk, unless you relinquish your gun rights or some other such bullshit.

The government needed to give the agency something to do after Prohibition ended and they really need their nutz clipped when it comes to this "rule making" bullshit.

 

[RHINOWSO]

Kinda funny how it was released on a Friday...... You'd think such stature would be Monday or Tuesday

That's ops normal for the Gov't. Press "SEND" on the release at closing time and then relax for a 3-day weekend, by Tuesday most of the drama is over.

 

[ABlaster]

Until you admit it to them and it's a MFing slam dunk, unless you relinquish your gun rights or some other such bullshit.

That wasn't my experience.