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ERGC is closed, PRPC is open. What is the status of other clubs/ places to shoot? I am a member at ERGC so out of luck right now.
 

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I do think about things before I post. Then post. Then read it as posted. If it looks like I should not have posted it as is,I change or delete.
I am glad however that some targeted individuals got the unique chance to say to themselves . . "yep,Sawman is right again".
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The main thing is I need to check or set 100 yard zeros on my rifles and maybe do a little reloading since ammo is becoming cluster ____ to buy now.
For dealing with sheet metal of pickups and maybe maybe trucks, full power 30 caliber with the right bullets seems to be a logical idea. Probably need to pull the some M2 AP and reload that ammo that is going on 60 years of age. I have got a garand. I also have a 7.62x51 PTR91 GI that might need to be fed properly. It has I believe a 1 in 10 twist so should be able to handle longer bullets versus the common 1 in 12 used in many 7.62x51 semi auto rifles that were intended for 145-150 grain bullets.
 

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If not AP (black tips) I would give the Barnes 150-165 TSX a try. They are long,so you would have to check mag length for your particular gun.
Expensive,but you (IMO) would not need more that 100 or so. I have some 130gr Rem Hog Hammer "pulls". These are similar to the TSX . . BUT . . have a much longer ogive. I cut one in half . . solid copper.
Now,the Hornady GMX line is actually harder than the solid coppers from Barnes so they might just be another option. --- SAWMAN
 

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If not AP (black tips) I would give the Barnes 150-165 TSX a try. They are long,so you would have to check mag length for your particular gun.
Expensive,but you (IMO) would not need more that 100 or so. I have some 130gr Rem Hog Hammer "pulls". These are similar to the TSX . . BUT . . have a much longer ogive. I cut one in half . . solid copper.
Now,the Hornady GMX line is actually harder than the solid coppers from Barnes so they might just be another option. --- SAWMAN
I have seen photos of pickups said to shot up with corbons using the lighter barnes bullets in a AK and they did make some pretty good holes in the body of the trucks from gunfights in the southwest or northern mexico. What I am not sure about is if they are superior to routine fmj ball ammo. I have a lot basic pulled fmj us military 30-06 150 grain bullets on hand.
 
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I have seen photos of pickups said to shot up with corbons using the lighter barnes bullets in a AK and they did make some pretty good holes in the body of the trucks from gunfights in the southwest or northern mexico. What I am not sure about is if they are superior to routine fmj ball ammo. I have a lot basic pulled fmj us military 30-06 150 grain bullets on hand.
I did some more reading and will stick to what it was designed to fire.
Re: reloading for the hk91 rifles

be cautious using heavier than standard 147 gr. bullets without matching up with the proper locking piece to insure you have the correct timming of the unlocking mechanism. You can damage the gun. Check www.hkpro.com for some suggestions. Most especially true if you shoot the 93. The 91 standard locking piece angles are pretty forgicing up to about 165 gr or so. Different locking piec angles for different classes of loadings. You might not notice damage but it is happening. just be careful and do a little research. Also make sure you check your headspace/bolt gap if you change the locking piece. have some extra + and - rollers on hand and periodically check. If you notice harsher than normal recoil, your locking piece or rollrs may be worn. Look for a gap of .018 ideal, and accuracy and general shootability will be improved. These are complicated little systems and while rugged and utterly reliable, they need maintenance and tuning too...https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/reloading-for-the-hk91-rifles.27691/
 

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For reference . . . my HK 91 AND 93 will shoot anything.
My 93 has shot handloads that shread brass. It has shot quite a few different brands/manufacturers of mil ammo. None of which were steel cased. Some of the hotter was Malaysian.
I have loaded 110's to 200gr round nose. HOT !!
MY 93 pretty much the same. No steel but pretty much everything else. Super hot handloads also. Both guns will feed empty brass.
I have never owned a PTR or G3. --- SAWMAN
 

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For reference . . . my HK 91 AND 93 will shoot anything.
My 93 has shot handloads that shread brass. It has shot quite a few different brands/manufacturers of mil ammo. None of which were steel cased. Some of the hotter was Malaysian.
I have loaded 110's to 200gr round nose. HOT !!
MY 93 pretty much the same. No steel but pretty much everything else. Super hot handloads also. Both guns will feed empty brass.
I have never owned a PTR or G3. --- SAWMAN
Any reason you choose not to try steel. That is newest ammo that I have on hand and I have not shot it. I have some older german ammo. I need maybe inspect that since there was discoloration on some the cases when I purchased. It worked well in the gun. Good to know that the HK can take full loads. The PTR91 is a clone of the HK91 and originally was using G3 parts. The HK91 as i understand is a semiauto G3. HK did sell some rifles with shallower flutes for civilians. PTR supposedly uses the G3 depth for the chamber flutes that gives better functioning.
Edit: on the internet all say the steel functions well, just disagreement on barrel wear.
 
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I do think about things before I post. Then post. Then read it as posted. If it looks like I should not have posted it as is,I change or delete.
I am glad however that some targeted individuals got the unique chance to say to themselves . . "yep,Sawman is right again".
Thank you. --- SAWMAN
Shit. I'm kinda hoping I could have seen your original post. Was it something along the lines of we could all go up there with thigh holsters and shoot ourselves in the femoral while practicing tuck and roll draw from a moving vehicle?
 

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Yep 'bout that. At least I was thinking . . OR . . was dreaming that. (possibly both) --- SAWMAN
 

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FS, just my philosophy on using steel in my "important" guns.
For me (IMO) in a $399 AR15 or a G3/Century PTR type,steel would be ok(?) . . IF . . I could not afford brass.
Some people that are quick to use steel in a $1500. AR would never think about doing it in a $1500. hunting rifle or competition gun. RIGHT ?? --- SAWMAN
 

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FS, just my philosophy on using steel in my "important" guns.
For me (IMO) in a $399 AR15 or a G3/Century PTR type,steel would be ok(?) . . IF . . I could not afford brass.
Some people that are quick to use steel in a $1500. AR would never think about doing it in a $1500. hunting rifle or competition gun. RIGHT ?? --- SAWMAN
The cost of ammo vs the cost of a gun. Steel may wear a barrel faster, especially if you do a lot of magazine dumps. Figure out of the cost of new barrel vs the cost of 5,000 rounds of .308 ammo for steel and brass case ammo. A PTR91 is a bullet spitter. I can not see much more than 100 yards on my place and can not legally justify a shot at much past to 200 yards in most cases to a grand jury. A 2.5 to 4 MOA rifle shooting steel case will do the job. Note to know what you rifle will do under real combat conditions. Start with a cold barrel and fire the whole mag and then look at the 20 round group.
 

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I have the ORIGIONAL HK claw lock(cam type) lock for my 91. After I got the mount, I mounted a 4-16X40 Bushnell on it and gave it a try.
Can't remember the factory ammo used but it was a 180gr round nose. (This was about 1982'ish) Off a makeshift bench and bags at 100yds it was 2.5MOA. I took the mount and scope off,simply un-cammed it,re-installed it,three different times,and the POI was exactly the same.
IIRC,the cam/claw mount was about $180. . . . BACK THEN. --- SAWMAN
 

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I have the ORIGIONAL HK claw lock(cam type) lock for my 91. After I got the mount, I mounted a 4-16X40 Bushnell on it and gave it a try.
Can't remember the factory ammo used but it was a 180gr round nose. (This was about 1982'ish) Off a makeshift bench and bags at 100yds it was 2.5MOA. I took the mount and scope off,simply un-cammed it,re-installed it,three different times,and the POI was exactly the same.
IIRC,the cam/claw mount was about $180. . . . BACK THEN. --- SAWMAN
I have an after market mount that is clamp or held on with screws that push/pull wedges instead of claws. I have been worried about how secure it is.
 
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Believe it or not . . . I bought all my HK91 and 93 extras at a place called Quality Parts which was a part of Bushmaster,and origionally located in Portland,Me.
Back then you could enter the front door and walk the isles of parts for a whole bunch of different battle rifles. Also several different combat style shotguns.
You picked out the parts you wanted then up to the front counter to check out/pay. Kinda like an auto parts store. --- SAWMAN
 

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For reference . . . my HK 91 AND 93 will shoot anything.
My 93 has shot handloads that shread brass. It has shot quite a few different brands/manufacturers of mil ammo. None of which were steel cased. Some of the hotter was Malaysian.
I have loaded 110's to 200gr round nose. HOT !!
MY 93 pretty much the same. No steel but pretty much everything else. Super hot handloads also. Both guns will feed empty brass.
I have never owned a PTR or G3. --- SAWMAN
A HK91 is G3 with civilian trigger pack and something else done to the bolt carrier or what ever it is called in the G3 so it will not work with a full auto trigger group.
 
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