Yeah when I was at the range the other day I was the only person out of 15 with no red dot on my pistol, but the only one with decent groupings lolObservations at the range yesterday. A group of bouncy 25+ year old doods. In skinny jeans and cotton candy electric cigs were a few lanes down from me. 5 of em +10k in ar's and even a styer aug. Lasers, holosun, acogs, 512s etc, etc. I don't think they got thru one mag without a malfunction of some kind. ( it was those damm plastic mags!!!) I think the aug was using the wrong mags too wasn't the waffle mags. I was being nosey and eavesdropping with my amped headphones. Very entertaining listening to experts. I especially enjoyed the bolt speed conversation re .223 and 5.56....BTW they sucked accuracy wise at 50 yards, lol. 8 inch groups. So much for high end rifles and high end optics.. I guess we're safe.