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    wildrider666

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    Gun owners will be vocal but not physically provoke with firearms. The masses will observe abuses of God given/Constitutional/Natural Rights. They will begin to defend against those abuses. There may be individual's with less tolerance who will respond offensively but generally, only defense will be played until the overwhelming consensus is the tipping point has been reached. The gov will have applied all types of names and classifications for the opposition. They already make claims the masses are this and that: people will be what they are forced to be. Make a lawful citizen a criminal or domestic terrorist with the stroke of a pen, then gov will reap what they sow.

    I don't foresee an armed march or drive to D.C. or anywhere else with armed standoffs leading to bloodbaths. Asymmetrical warfare and mostly uncoordinated beyond individual small groups. News/media reporting may well influence the what and where of actions which could align multiple unconnected groups toward specific objectives and result in some massing of effort. It will probably start and grow either before or after Martial Law is enacted. Tougher constraints than Martial Law never stopped resistance/gorilla warfare but it does obligate extremely large forces for the perception full control of relatively small areas. They had 27K NG troops plus all the beefed PDs, and more than a half dozen Agencies proviing secuity around the Capital and a few other assumed to be threatened buildings. Unlike the gov, people may never be on the menu: private and public assets and symbolism may be. It won't be about capturing real estate or have hard front lines. General commerce and utilities would not be interupted but it wouldn't be unexpected to see some "cashless resupply" take place. The Lefts propaganda machine which already surpasses that of some communist/dictator regimes will go into overdive. We have observed the Left/dems was just fine with criminal actions of BLM and Antifa: everything could be labeled as "Lawful Protests"; you know, because: "Equality".

    How about a logistics reality check? How many Agents/Officers come with a simple Search Warrant? I'll limit it to five. Now how many woul be needed when Warrant is in reference to firearms? How about 5 with a security backup of 8 until things are going smooth. Now lets say 10 Warrant Searches go very bad (resident/agent fault doesn't matter), dead men/women on both sides plus dead kids. Outrage will follow. What escalation will the Warrant Servers bring next? What reception will they get?

    How "willing" will LE be to act at first and then if it starts becoming a 50/50 shit sandwich every raid? Keep in mind that the Left doesn't give a shit about Officer safety! The Left/dems will push an unlimited number of LE to their death and not even consider it a sacrifice, just another tool to abuse without remorse like minorities. The Left/dems have imposed restrictions that make LE jobs near impossible: stripped their tools and tactics, made LE into targets that could not respond to blocked roads and people attacked/shot in their vehicles, looters, riots, assaults or arson while while people watched their cars, business and homes burn. What criminals they were "allowed to arrest" were released without Charges and those Charged without Bail! The Left cut manpower, cut budgets, killed No Knock Warrants, have or are working on eliminating "qualified immunity", publicity don't support them till one gets murdered then back to anti cop that afternoon. LE are retiring or leaving the shitholes in droves while crime skyrockets. We also see how the media jumps at every use of force for a racial or excessive use of force headline. OATH or not, how many will want to knowing go into potentially deadly gun confiscation confrontations day after day because its "mandated by the LEFT" and they know damn well the Left deeply hates them. How long before LE begins to refuse being fed into the meat grinder by the Left? Recall the Left wants a "STANDING National Guard Army in close proximity go protect "THEM".

    My guess the above would likely occur within two months of the "Gov" attempting to make "examples" of violators IOT pressure wide compliance. They won't even have scratched the surface of the gun owning population. They don't have the manpower or decades needed to remove "targeted firearms and magazines" from Americans. Decade after decade, the War on Drugs failed. The Left is now legalizing drugs and threatening guns. A "War on guns" would be worse for the gov. Gun owners are not going to OD, do petty crimes, be pressured to rat out someone with a "cache". Drugs may make weak minds feel free but guns can maintain actual freedom when it is threatened. Gun owners are not ignorant of the perils that follow gun registration and confiscation. Guns/ammo are already flowing on the black market. If U.S. sources dry up the cartels and large scale gun running exported from other countries will flow.

    DOJ/ATF sprinkled fairy dust on bump stocks and Classified them as deadly "machine guns", can't grandfather or NFA Register them: a major threat to public safety they said. Nobody and I mean absolutely NOBODY believes they were all turned in or destroyed by private owners. The feds have numbers on the few direct civillian turn-in's and those from companies that didn't want to waste their time and money to destroy them themselves on top of the merchandise l dollars lost. Feds also got sale records to individuals and retail businesses, but I haven't cread of a single BFD tracked don and possessor arrest.Those totals come up way short of over a decade of production numbers. From DOJ/ATFs, those are "deadly machine guns". Agents/Officers aren't tracking down those "machine guns", are they? its gotta be the biggest Law compliance farce since Prohibition but they went after alcohol for awhile. ATF/LE may trip over a bump stock from time to time but they aren't primarily looking for them and I don't think they want to take them to Court either, see Link. So a major chang of the law on MACHINE GUNS, which cost civilians millions of dollar and threatened them ith fines and prison: isnt even being actively persued or enforced. There are millions more semi-auto firearms and mags identified for restrictions/bans: would Feds/LE be more agressive toward those items than "machine guns"? That's hard to rationally justify.

    The first guy Charged with possession of a Bump Stock was in 8/19. While on Trial 11/20, the gov withdrew the Charge (as they normally do when they are going to loose and want to avoid an adverse Ruling that would shit on their "interpetations", they did the same with vert fwd grip on a handgun).

    P.S. I want a D.C. street repainted "BLACK GUNS MATTER".
     
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    tros6t

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    May guess is as long as "we" have it so easy, we will boil like the frog until it's too late. Those really in power know this and will keep incrementally taking freedoms until most will hardly notice. Pessimistic? Maybe, but I'm fairly confident that this is the road we are on. "They" have learned from history on how to enslave a nation and will work on it until it's done! Win enough hearts and minds and the few left will submit or.............!
     

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    May guess is as long as "we" have it so easy, we will boil like the frog until it's too late. Those really in power know this and will keep incrementally taking freedoms until most will hardly notice. Pessimistic? Maybe, but I'm fairly confident that this is the road we are on. "They" have learned from history on how to enslave a nation and will work on it until it's done! Win enough hearts and minds and the few left will submit or.............!
    "Hearts and minds"... Since Vietnam we've seen Bosnia and Somalia and learned to use the UN food and meds as weapons. All the hold-outs will starve or submit. A month into holding out and all the wild game and livestock and pets will be eaten. Twenty percent of the population in old folks homes/hospitals and insulin dependent diabetics will die in the first couple months. Half of the rest die in the first winter. We'll either be eating kudzu 40 different ways in the trenches, or eating peanut butter crackers in the FEMA camps... trading food for freedom
     
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