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  • BluesBrother

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    If you don't have time or an inclination to watch a six minute YouTube video you might want to pass on this historical information. Otherwise, I found this interesting and informative. Enjoy.

     
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    Yep, that's it. Is the link I posted wrong? I'll correct. Thanks for pointing that out. I would like to own one of these but the MSRP is around $2K. I always understood the 1873 action to be considered weak compared to say 1892. The 1876 according to the video is a 1873 action modified to accept the longer 50-95 cartridge. Your thoughts.
     
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    Reloading:
    one can use:
    '32 gauge brass shot shells and the 50-90'

    so maybe one can make 50-95 from 32 also.
    ' I took a 300 Remington ultra brass and cut off at the shoulder and the dimensions are not far off from the 50-90 sharps. I saw a thread a couple years ago about swagging a rim unto rimless brass and it was clever and easy.
    Pictures of old cartridges
    2nd from right is 50-95
    First was the .50-95 in the Model 1876. It used 300-gr. bullets and Winchester rated it at 1,493 fps. In one original loaner I shot, velocity hit 1,501 fps with 85 grains of black powder and a 314-gr. bullet. More recently a Cimarron/Uberti ’76 .50-95 gave 1,434 fps with 75 grains of powder and a 350-gr. bullet. https://gunsmagazine.com/rifles/heavy-leverage/
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    Yep, that's it. Is the link I posted wrong? Thanks for pointing that out.
    For me it gave some choices. It is not too hard do what I did if using a computer. Great link and I drool with envy to see such guns. Such history and they were made in america. I still can not figure out why the round was called a 50-95.
     

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    Wondering what pressure levels you can load this up to ??
    My 45-90Express can be loaded to 45K psi AND BEYOND in Ruger #1,Mauser,NEF,etc,actions.
    Mine will produce about 5,000fpe with the right bullet /load. ---- SAWMAN
     

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    Wondering what pressure levels you can load this up to ??
    My 45-90Express can be loaded to 45K psi AND BEYOND in Ruger #1,Mauser,NEF,etc,actions.
    Mine will produce about 5,000fpe with the right bullet /load. ---- SAWMAN
    The '76 is toggle link lockup. It is supposed be weaker than the '86
    More at this link: https://www.levergunscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?t=36122
     
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    Isn't 50 the caliber and 95 grains the black powder load?

    American BP cartridges used two or three numbers to designate the caliber. 95 (the second figure) is the designed max grain load for the cartridge. More info below on that, including the full three figure caliber designation.

    A Sharps, or Remington falling block, in 50-110 would be a hoot to load and shoot for!

    https://www.chuckhawks.com/cartridge_names.htm
     

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    American BP cartridges used two or three numbers to designate the caliber. 95 (the second figure) is the designed max grain load for the cartridge. More info below on that, including the full three figure caliber designation.

    A Sharps, or Remington falling block, in 50-110 would be a hoot to load and shoot for!

    https://www.chuckhawks.com/cartridge_names.htm
    There can still be some confusion as for example, not all 45-70's were loaded with 70 grains of black powder.
    So yes one can list them as: there were 45-56-405, carbine loading and 45-70-500 rifle loading plus others. But these loads do not tell you anything about the case. To be specific if it was a straight was case I see today people also list the cast length. The 45-70 is on a 2.1 inch case. A 45-90 is , 2.4" and a .45-120 Sharps, 3-1/4"
     
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    I know this is an older thread, but on an interesting note, I have an Uberti '73 Winchester chambered in 38-40. Winchester necked down the 44-40 case for this. HOWEVER, it is not a 38 caliber in front of 40 grains of black powder; it is a 40 caliber bullet in front of 38 grains of powder. A pure reversal of their other cartridges.
    What the reasoning is for this may be difficult to explain, but I've read that marketing the caliber had something to do with it.
    I love the gun and the cartridge is extremely accurate, I have won a few matches with it loaded with 8 grains of Unique powder. but loading the brass israther difficult to keep the necks from splitting.
    I also have a 1876 Uberti "Centennial" chambered in 50-95, ....that is a hoot to shoot.
    But not as much fun as my Pedersoli "Quigley" 1874 Sharps, identical to Tom Sellecks only in 45-120 caliber! I have the bruised shoulder for proof; 20221014_135100.jpg Just wish I could shoot like he did.
    I guess I like "different" guns...LOL
     
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