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    I am saying BS or way over designed. A 20-30lb HE warhead would be more effective without the overkill. I bet it was 10 times the cost to engineer as a 20LB HE ball surrounded by 1 inch of glass pellets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by B52 View Post
    I am saying BS or way over designed. A 20-30lb HE warhead would be more effective without the overkill. I bet it was 10 times the cost to engineer as a 20LB HE ball surrounded by 1 inch of glass pellets.
    Oh, come on. It's only your tax dollars. The military industrial complex has to eat too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B52 View Post
    I am saying BS or way over designed. A 20-30lb HE warhead would be more effective without the overkill. I bet it was 10 times the cost to engineer as a 20LB HE ball surrounded by 1 inch of glass pellets.
    BS or over design, hmm.
    The first thing is does it do what it is suppose to do? Seems to.
    It was meant to reduce collateral damage to non-targets. It seems to.
    20lbs of HE surrounded by glass balls. I have only seen glass used in the casings of anti-tank mines to make them non-detectable. I have no idea what high explosives will do to glass. But I know 20 lbs of HE by itself is capable of doing a lot of damage.
    Anyone know what they are using these days for HE. It used to be Comp B, a mix of TNT and RDX plus a little wax, was the most common and was easier to melt and get into a shell during load and pack than just plain RDX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel_Rider1969 View Post
    Is it just me or does this sound like BS?
    yep-I believe you're right..... some BS. How is this thing going to single out a guy in a crowd? When it hits crap will be flying everywhere so there goes the collateral damage theory. I'll believe it when I see one on display at the armaments museum.

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    One of our best tank rounds is a Kinetic Energy Penetrator (KEP) and does not contain explosives. Works great As Seen on TV! If you search KEP you will see lists or links to other types of KEP weapons inckuding the Helfire R9X.
    https://channel411news.com/2019/05/1...not-civilians/

    Hits:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/markito01...82401783701504

    https://internewscast.com/us-forces-...d-two-jihadis/ (only four blade areas are marked but you can see symmetrically, the other two blade areas are "gone" or pushed through.)

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...plosives-works
    (Look at what appears to be a skeletonized "blade". Twisted as it is, follow it to the mounting hinge. Now look at other "mount/hinge points and partial "blades"and their spacing around the axis.)

    Sources other than Wiki:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-...ns-11557403411
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...agm-114r9x.htm

    I don't know what was used on Soleimani. Appears to be more damage than a R9X but that could have been from expolsives the terrorists had in the vehicle and gas tank
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    At one time there was a lot of talk of the magnetic rail guns that could fire smaller projectiles at incredible velocities to obtain high energies. I not have read anything about them a long time. Probably best for use on a ship. I guess they have not yet been perfected for real use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrommerStop View Post
    At one time there was a lot of talk of the magnetic rail guns that could fire smaller projectiles at incredible velocities to obtain high energies. I not have read anything about them a long time. Probably best for use on a ship. I guess they have not yet been perfected for real use.
    China has one on a ship right now. The U.S. was supposed to do full sea tests soon but the can keeps getting kicked down the road. I think the competition is between Lasers and rail guns which both draw tremendous amounts of power.

    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/navy-pr...siles-and-guns
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    "One of our best tank rounds is a Kinetic Energy Penetrator (KEP)".........to us old hands-Armored Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS)

    "I guess they have not yet been perfected for real use.".......I think they're pretty well perfected but the high cost of the round killed it. As few as the Navy needed nobody could produce them cheaply enough to justify their use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildrider666 View Post
    China has one on a ship right now. The U.S. was supposed to do full sea tests soon but the can keeps getting kicked down the road. I think the competition is between Lasers and rail guns which both draw tremendous amounts of power.

    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/navy-pr...siles-and-guns
    The nuclear reactors on a ship likely can supply the needed power.

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    I still think it was a dud. They got lucky.
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