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    Can't seem to reach my full potential google fu on this one! Anyone have any idea. Looks like a regular ole 9mm. But it's not!
     

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    Pulled this from a website

    " The .38 Super cartridge was developed to give penetration, but its use was confined, so far as I know, to the 1911 semi-auto. Most cops were revolver packers. In about 1929, S&W stepped up to the plate by getting .38 Special ammo hot-rodded. The newly invigorated .38 was the .38 HV (High Velocity), also known as the .38/44. The Winchester 38 Special +P lead hollow point of today (catalog X38SPD, my favorite .38 Special defense load) is similar to the 38/44 ammo of the period. Pointed lead bullets with a covering jacket (Winchester Metal Point) were also loaded to higher velocity in the .38/44. S&W made a .38 Special revolver on the .44 frame, hence the .38/44 moniker. In fixed sight trim, this was the Heavy Duty. After 1956, the HD was called the Model 20. Gussied up with adjustable sights, the big .38 was called the Outdoorsman, later called the Model 22.

    They were soon eclipsed by the advent of the .357 Magnum.”
     

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    From just a picture I and most people can not determine inch or metric dimensions. A micrometer is sometimes your friend. It is certainly is interesting and looks factory, but I am not sure.
    Have you tried a magnet to it to see if the bullet or case is steel?
     

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    Pulled this from a website

    " The .38 Super cartridge was developed to give penetration, but its use was confined, so far as I know, to the 1911 semi-auto. Most cops were revolver packers. In about 1929, S&W stepped up to the plate by getting .38 Special ammo hot-rodded. The newly invigorated .38 was the .38 HV (High Velocity), also known as the .38/44. The Winchester 38 Special +P lead hollow point of today (catalog X38SPD, my favorite .38 Special defense load) is similar to the 38/44 ammo of the period. Pointed lead bullets with a covering jacket (Winchester Metal Point) were also loaded to higher velocity in the .38/44. S&W made a .38 Special revolver on the .44 frame, hence the .38/44 moniker. In fixed sight trim, this was the Heavy Duty. After 1956, the HD was called the Model 20. Gussied up with adjustable sights, the big .38 was called the Outdoorsman, later called the Model 22.

    They were soon eclipsed by the advent of the .357 Magnum.”

    The 38/44 is based on a .38 spl case and what is in the photo is not. I wonder if that is a 9x19. The markings could be arsenal and factory or just about anything. The st+ and the other three characters I have no idea what they are.
     

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    I just searched based on the headstamp. The 38/44 loading came up. With a bit more digging It looks like the “dou st+” was actually a WWII Czech headstamp for the 9mm which would make more sense since it damn sure looks like a 9
     

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    Different measurements. Base of bullet before casing. Casing. And overall length as loaded.
     

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    side by side to new factory load 9mm.
     

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    I just searched based on the headstamp. The 38/44 loading came up. With a bit more digging It looks like the “dou st+” was actually a WWII Czech headstamp for the 9mm which would make more sense since it damn sure looks like a 9

    Yeah, Placing it next to my normal everyday 9mm, I can't tell a difference really. But the headstamp was throwing me for a loop.
     

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    I have some odds and ends relative to strange ammo. I do need to go through it and cull it and maybe trade it off or give it to friends that collect. For 9mm I recall having spanish military and at least one 16 round box of german dating to ww2. I think I have a couple 11 mauser rounds also.
    As I get older, there is no reason to hang on to a lot of what I have other than I like them that i have that includes guns that I have not shot in years. Every time a democrap like clinton or a republicrap like bush senior did something i would go out to buy a lot and hoard. Doing it again due to the things in south florida and the upcoming 2020 election. I only have a pair of hands so two guns is the most I can shoot at same time lol.
     

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    .... I only have a pair of hands so two guns is the most I can shoot at same time lol.


    Reminds me of my answer whenever someone asks "how many guns/mags/rounds/etc do you have?":

    "More than I can use simultaneously, but not enough..."
     

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    I have some odds and ends relative to strange ammo. I do need to go through it and cull it and maybe trade it off or give it to friends that collect. For 9mm I recall having spanish military and at least one 16 round box of german dating to ww2. I think I have a couple 11 mauser rounds also.
    As I get older, there is no reason to hang on to a lot of what I have other than I like them that i have that includes guns that I have not shot in years. Every time a democrap like clinton or a republicrap like bush senior did something i would go out to buy a lot and hoard. Doing it again due to the things in south florida and the upcoming 2020 election. I only have a pair of hands so two guns is the most I can shoot at same time lol.

    My co-worker handing me this box of old ammo may have created a collector of old and rare ammo. Or just ammo in general!
     
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