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  • Snake-Eyes

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    So it begins today. The one-sided impeachment from the House is now sucking up 100% of the US Senate's time.

    Democrat dirtbag Madam Shitf from Kommiefornia is effectively spewing endless lies and prosecutorial bull-feces in his best attempt at a filibuster. And this is just to "oppose" the RULES of the trial. Not even the opening arguments. ZERO evidence has even been introduced. This is his first chance to speak, and o holy hell, he's hogging the mic.

    No wonder they are so adamant against any kind of time limits. These windbags want to draw this out as long as possible.

    If you can't stand listening to liars and America-hating snakes, don't watch the trial when a person with a "(D)" next to their name is speaking.

    Edit to add: Shitf finally ceased his diarrhea-of-the-mouth. The rebuttal from the defense team is so-far-so-good. This Jay Sekulow guy is sharp and goes straight to the heart of the lies, and made Shitf and Chunk Shoemouth look like the idiots they are.

    Edit to add more: This other guy on the Trump Defense Team, Pat Cipollone, is also a bulldog. If you wanna "cheer" at a trial, these are the guys to listen to. They not only rip apart the lies and accusations from the House Democrats, they ask the questions we all ask, and they point out the obvious stuff that isn't mentioned in the media.

    It pains me to admit it, but I don't mind listening to these lawyers speak. Thank God the POTUS has such a sharp defense team.

    Another edit: so, I have this on to listen to, and here's the synopsis: the RULES of the trial are still being "debated", and will continue to be "debated" for DAYS. The democrap leadershit proposes an amendment to the rules, and gets it read Aloud into the record, then it's debated up to an HOUR for EACH side (proponents and opposition). Schumer supposedly has FIFTY amendments. Do that math... and the democrap impeachment managers are well-prepared for each one-hour block, with full slideshows and VIDEO clips from Trump public comments and House testimony from broadcast news. Remember: ZERO EVIDENCE has been admitted yet. This is supposedly a "debate" on the RULES, but these "House Managers" are in cahoots with the Senate Minority leadershit, and this is effectively their opening statement.

    For the next few days... weeks... maybe they'll get to a vote on the RULES by February?
     
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    TK5o

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    How do you get to change the “rules” of a legal process??? I thought thats why its called a legal PROCESS, because the process is the way it is supposed to be done. I dont know maybe something along the lines of Due Process?? I thought all those “rules” were laid out years ago by the founding fathers and oh maybe the Constitution and other such documents? How can they just change things to their liking?
     

    Snake-Eyes

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    How do you get to change the “rules” of a legal process??? I thought thats why its called a legal PROCESS, because the process is the way it is supposed to be done. I dont know maybe something along the lines of Due Process?? I thought all those “rules” were laid out years ago by the founding fathers and oh maybe the Constitution and other such documents? How can they just change things to their liking?

    Rules of the trial. Meaning: in what order does what happen, and what is the process for subpoenas for brand new witnesses/documents/etc.

    McConnell's proposed ground rules are what the democrats don't like.
    Those rules say: both sides make opening statements and present their case. After reviewing the "evidence" from the House, the Senate would vote if they want to see more or dig deeper.
    The democrats want to puppet the Senate's ability to subpoena through the Chief Justice in order to do what they failed to even TRY to do when they had the football in the House.

    It's a bunch of flowery words and lies from the House side, contrasted by the no nonsense call-you-on-your-BS responses from the defense team.

    The idiot representative from Florida is spewing more twisted-truths right now...
     

    Ric-san

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    The Senate makes its rules as it goes, not limited to the rule of law that the rest of us 330 million Americans live by daily. Only good thing about the current situation is the Republicans are in charge now, no more smoke and mirrors of the House as put forth by the Dems.
     

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    Making the Rules is is not new to the process. When this was do in the Clinton Impeachment (CI) there was 100% Agreement on all the Rules. No so this time. With CI the House did its assigned task and provided a package of evidence that supported Criminal Charge. THIS House didn't provide criminal charges for high crimes and misdemeanors and evidently insufficient evidence to support their non criminal charges. This fight over the Rules is because the Dems/House Impeachment Managers want the Senate to "continue to investigate multiple avenues" that the House did not pursue to the fullest extent of their mandate. That is not the Senate's function under Impeachment, their function is to conduct a Trial on the evidence presented BY THE HOUSE and decide if THAT EVIDENCE and only that evidence supports the Charges for Impeachment or not. Recall that the House Dems HAD adequate evidence to forward their Impeachment, Now, they need other evidence/investigations to make their Case. The only conclusion from this it the House pushed it through politically and not on an evidentiary basis.

    Every Dem Ammendment somfar has been shot down or "Tabled" right on Party lines 53/47. On the last one Shifty asked for a 48hr postponement, also shot down.

    Dems keep comparing Senate Trial to a civilian criminal trial. They cite "criminal proceedings" yet stand at the podium lying and making unsupported accusations and the can't be objected to. Dems loosing bad on Ammendments, now want Chief Justice to be "Arbitrator" on relevance of each witness, really grasping at straws to get a toehold.
     

    Snake-Eyes

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    Well, that went by "quicker" than the 50 expected amendments. Lucky 13 amendments. All tabled. Rules voted on; passed.

    Each side gets three days to spend 24-hours of time to make their case (presumably 8-hours a day). House managers go first, followed by the POTUS Defense Team. Then various debates and votes for/against new witnesses/documents.

    The democraps really tried to sneak in some BS today. One amendment would've made their bogus/illegitimate subpoenas from the House Intelligence Committee magically "legitimate". It was their attempt to "correct a Constitutional defect", according to the defense team. Sneaky how they didn't want to point out that little side benefit, huh? The defense team pointed out that since the House didn't have a proper vote for an impeachment inquiry, yet, when Pelosi just press-briefing announced Shiff's new "power", that wasn't legitimate Constitutional authority for impeachment subpoenas. Apparently that was delineated in the White House counsel's letter/response why the White House would not be complying. The subpoenas were illegitimate. The democrap proposed amendment tonight was an attempt to "fix the glitch".

    There were MANY other instances where the House managers bold-face LIED like the smooth-talking politicians they are, and the energized Defense Team called them on it, directly, and refuted the lies with reality.

    It was nice to watch some of it tonight, if only to see Shiff and Nadler get defeated. Over and over and over again.

    FINALLY, someone called them on their BS in public. On the floor of the Senate in front of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, no less.
     
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