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    So, if your roommate, spouse, child or parent gets "red flagged" and they come in to remove the firearms, what are they going to do with the other firearms that belong to the non "red flagged" individuals? You think they'll leave them in the residence or will they trample their second amendment rights in the name of public safety?
     

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    So, if your roommate, spouse, child or parent gets "red flagged" and they come in to remove the firearms, what are they going to do with the other firearms that belong to the non "red flagged" individuals? You think they'll leave them in the residence or will they trample their second amendment rights in the name of public safety?
    This is an important question and I have heard it answered both ways. So I am not sure. Perhaps a lock box would make it ok?
     

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    You know the answer to that, they are going to error on the side of caution and remove all the firearms. You at your own expense can retain an attorney and maybe get the ones that you have a bill of sale or other paper proof of returned to you, maybe.
     
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    You know the answer to that, they are going to error on the side of a caution and remove all the firearms. You at your own expense can retain an attorney and maybe get the ones that you have a bill of sale or other paper proof of returned to you, maybe.
    No I do not know and what is you knowledge of this.

    I would like to know how the judge's orders normally are written and what is normally done.
     

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    LOL , almost as many years of life experience as you have, and I come from a large family that has many many Leo’s in it . Ive never heard of any Leo leaving part of the firearms in house where they had cause to remove firearms . Have you ?
     

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    Even though only LE/Agency may apply for Red Flag restrictions, the originating source of information and motive for supplying it is a major issue. One persons natural and healthy venting is anothers veiled threat. Unrelated and compartmentalized issues say, firearms enthusiasm, prepping, political views, internet usage and a heated argument can be put in the same LE/Agency pot though there is zero intent to do so by the individual.

    Its not just Thought Police, its Thought Judgement which can build its own conclusion of "Intent" without a shread of Actus Reus towards a imaginary theoretical event, when no Laws have been violated.

    Explained perfectly!!
     

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    LOL , almost as many years of life experience as you have, and I come from a large family that has many many Leo’s in it . Ive never heard of any Leo leaving part of the firearms in house where they had cause to remove firearms . Have you ?
    I have no experience or direct knowledge except in one that was not a seizure, but of son with felony conviction living in his father's. The father told me he was still allowed to have firearms. Me I do not know and was asking.

    Part of this is that both judges, and especially judges, and also LEO's will often do as they please. But, I do not know since i have no direct knowledge here.
     

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    LOL , almost as many years of life experience as you have, and I come from a large family that has many many Leo’s in it . Ive never heard of any Leo leaving part of the firearms in house where they had cause to remove firearms . Have you ?

    So they have to red flag the entire household and not just one individual. If a judge signs off on that, then they should be removed from the bench. Maybe they should red flag the neighbor too, in case the alleged perpetrator knows where the hide a key is. He/she has already shown they possibly have contempt for law, so breaking and entering wouldn't be a problem.
     

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    LOL , almost as many years of life experience as you have, and I come from a large family that has many many Leo’s in it . Ive never heard of any Leo leaving part of the firearms in house where they had cause to remove firearms . Have you ?

    I would think if lives are being saved, not only remove ALL WEAPONS, but put on a watch list for as long as seems fit, including checking where they travel, whom they associate with, what their friends and associates do in their spare time etc would be fair.
    Hmmmm, sounds like how we should treat the real threat..... terrorists.
    I don't see any problem with it sounds like it should work perfectly.
    Keep in mind civilians do everything better and more efficiently than government ever has.
     

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    What if RF knows where the key is hidden to Grandma's house? Should go ahead and get those guns too. Can't be too safe.
     

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    Oh maybe look into our medical system and see why they want to prescribe drugs for EVERYTHING.
     

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    when the Police do remove guns from a home/person. do they provide a detailed list of weapons removed, such as condition, serial numbers, when the ammo, number of rounds, calibers etc? just wondering if they take the guns, and you try to get them back, they took a .223 and you get a 22lr in return.....
     

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    In the USA during WWII some families with relatives in european fascist countries like germany and italy had there personal firearms seized by the local police. I guess they eventually got them back. Others like the japanese got thrown into guarded camps and they had their property seized.
    Nationals of some countries were also put in jail.
    Point is the government in an emergency scenario can do almost anything they please. If the democraps win in 2020 who knows what they will do. Red laws could become a tool to use against their opponents.
     

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    In the USA during WWII some families with relatives in european fascist countries like germany and italy had there personal firearms seized by the local police. I guess they eventually got them back. Others like the japanese got thrown into guarded camps and they had their property seized.
    Nationals of some countries were also put in jail.
    Point is the government in an emergency scenario can do almost anything they please. If the democraps win in 2020 who knows what they will do. Red laws could become a tool to use against their opponents.

    Excellent points. The propagandists like to make the sheep believe that it can never happen here. Why can't it happen here? What Obama and his criminal gang in the FBI and Justice Dept did with Hillary and the Russian Hoax, borders on what the fascists did, at least when they first got started. This is unfortunately going to all end very badly. Even with his many faults, if we get Trump for 4 more years, it won't be too terrible for the 2nd amendment, but in 2024, it's almost a sure thing we will get a socialist and then everything is up for grabs, pun intended! And while Scott has some good points, his bull crap about the red flag laws in Florida and not caring about people's rights statement he made is probably going to bite him and rightfully so.
     
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    Well, the government allows soldiers to be armed only when they are deployed in a combat situation . I think the same standards should apply to LEOs . They can be issued a gun while they are working their normal shift and turn in the issued gun at the end of shift. When they retire or quit being a Leo then they don’t need access to firearms any longer. Anybody want to bet how many of them will be ok with that? Zero would be my bet. LOL, watch the flame throwers light up !

    +1 to that. Authority to arrest/detain should be turned of at the end of the shift, too. Yeah, that sounds like a smart-ass jab, but consider this. With all the talk of 24/7/365, always on duty, overworked, over-stressed, underpaid, why would one not welcome the opportunity to just have some peaceful downtime and truly be OFF?
     

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    As stated somewhere here before . . . why do the cops carry an M4 carbine ??
    To protect the public ?? NOPE !! They have no duty to protect the general public.
    They carry the M4's,MP5's,SBR's,SBS's,etc,etc. TO PROTECT THEMSELVES .
    Why does it seem to be so fuckin' hard for some people to understand that I could want the same thing to protect myself and my family ?? --- SAWMAN

    'Cause you look just like the rest of us potential criminals?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLT View Post
    Well, the government allows soldiers to be armed only when they are deployed in a combat situation . I think the same standards should apply to LEOs . They can be issued a gun while they are working their normal shift and turn in the issued gun at the end of shift. When they retire or quit being a Leo then they don’t need access to firearms any longer. Anybody want to bet how many of them will be ok with that? Zero would be my bet. LOL, watch the flame throwers light up !
    +1 to that. Authority to arrest/detain should be turned of at the end of the shift, too. Yeah, that sounds like a smart-ass jab, but consider this. With all the talk of 24/7/365, always on duty, overworked, over-stressed, underpaid, why would one not welcome the opportunity to just have some peaceful downtime and truly be OFF?

    In at least some areas they are supposed to be active 24/7. We should not be defining our rights by limiting those of others. The point is we want 24/7 just like the LEOs have and in fact we want more. I have no problem with LEO being able to carry what ever they feel like 24/7.
     

    FLT

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLT View Post
    Well, the government allows soldiers to be armed only when they are deployed in a combat situation . I think the same standards should apply to LEOs . They can be issued a gun while they are working their normal shift and turn in the issued gun at the end of shift. When they retire or quit being a Leo then they don’t need access to firearms any longer. Anybody want to bet how many of them will be ok with that? Zero would be my bet. LOL, watch the flame throwers light up !

    I don’t have any problem with you carrying 24


    In at least some areas they are supposed to be active 24/7. We should not be defining our rights by limiting those of others. The point is we want 24/7 just like the LEOs have and in fact we want more. I have no problem with LEO being able to carry what ever they feel like 24/7.

    And , I don’t have a problem with you or any other law abiding citizen doing the same thing. The problem is that politicians continue to grant special privileges to themselves and whom ever they think will benefit their cause . Leo’s that aren’t working have exactly the same need for firearms that any other lawful citizen has.
     

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    What is scary, before the "Red Flag" term started being thrown around, it already existed quietly. Example back in 2011 before my dad passed away from cancer, I received a call from him to come by and collect the weapons and ammo from his house.

    While there I asked what's up, he statement was "The docs, don't trust me around weapons now" and "I was given the opportunity to relinquish them to a family member before the Sheriff's office confiscates them". Weird part is the Sheriff's office contacted me to verify the weapons were turned over to me. Asked if they needed to come by and verify, nope we'll take your word on it. After that was said, the Deputy expressed his condolences on what our family was going through, and offered his prayers.

    Basically the doctor, based on my dad's dementia being brought on by the cancer, determined my dad was a danger to himself and others if he was to still process weapons. The doctors had made a call to the local LE, and reported his concerns and that a family member was going to collect them.

    While I know the Red Flag law leaves some room for interpretation, there are aspects of it that are for legitimate reasons, the concern is whether this will open a door for abuse of the law.
     
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    A good Article from a Lawyer who has been dealing with Red Flag type laws for a while. I didn't know Some LE CHARGE STORAGE FEES for Court Ordered seizures, which must be paid by "victim", who's guns can now be returned. Also mentioned is guns owned by others (not listed on the Red Flag Order) in same household : All guns get confiscated, including those locked in a Safe. A gun owned by someone else in same dwelling will get Red Flag targed charged for possession by a Firearms Restricted person and probably Contempt of Court for good measure.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...g-red-flag-laws-are-even-worse-than-you-think
     
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