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    How does PTSD work with Florida's red flag gun confiscation? I would hope that those that put their lives on the line for our country don't become affected by this unconstitutional law.
     

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    They already are. Been going on for years.
    Depending on the severity and treatment diagnosed and prescribed . . . in a few days there is a knock at your door. --- SAWMAN
     

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    And I'll answer my door the same as I always do. Prepared. Never been treated for anything. Only time in hospital was when I was born. Never diagnosed with anything. Don't trust our doctors/ licensed drug pushers. I never will trust them either. I only trust my government. They know what's best for me. Oh, and they are efficient at everything they do or get involved in.
     

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    Basically, you can't say "I'm gonna go POSTAL!" anymore...lol
    Or just follow the Miranda Lambert song & Keep Your Crazy Inside.

    I can see where it could go totally bad...mouth off to a Liberal and they'll report a Red Flag...
    heck, they may go anyway just because you're a gun owner...whether you said anything or not.

    On the other hand, I can see where it may be of benefit if it does get guns out of the hands of dangerous people.
    It does require Adjudication...judge has to approve it...
    I hope it's at least an equal standard to what a Search Warrant is.


    Here are the questions NOBODY is asking...
    2 Democrats shoot up Dayton & El Paso, the El Paso shooter in particular was known to be ANTI GUN prior to him buying a gun and taking action...SO...Is it a case of Raving Democrats trying to force the anti-gun issue??
    Or has the Immigration Crisis that Congress refuses to handle starting to drive even Hardcore Democrats nuts because the Illegals are driving housing prices thru the roof and making it harder to find a job??


    News agencies are calling the El Paso shooting White Supremacy...
    'scuse me, have you LOOKED at the kid??
    He ain't white. White-ish is about as close as you can get there.
    He's about as white as George Zimmerman...which is Not Very.
    And in his Two Page Manifesto, it clearly states he was attacking BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION,
    and that he was NOT a Trump Supporter!! Have none of CNBC's people even bothered to READ it??
     
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    Basically, you can't say "I'm gonna go POSTAL!" anymore...lol
    Or just follow the Miranda Lambert song & Keep Your Crazy Inside.

    I can see where it could go totally bad...mouth off to a Liberal and they'll report a Red Flag...
    heck, they may go anyway just because you're a gun owner...whether you said anything or not.

    On the other hand, I can see where it may be of benefit if it does get guns out of the hands of dangerous people.
    It does require Adjudication...judge has to approve it...
    I hope it's at least an equal standard to what a Search Warrant is.


    Here are the questions NOBODY is asking...
    2 Democrats shoot up Dayton & El Paso, the El Paso shooter in particular was known to be ANTI GUN prior to him buying a gun and taking action...SO...Is it a case of Raving Democrats trying to force the anti-gun issue??
    Or has the Immigration Crisis that Congress refuses to handle starting to drive even Hardcore Democrats nuts because the Illegals are driving housing prices thru the roof and making it harder to find a job??


    News agencies are calling the El Paso shooting White Supremacy...
    'scuse me, have you LOOKED at the kid??
    He ain't white. White-ish is about as close as you can get there.
    He's about as white as George Zimmerman...which is Not Very.
    And in his Two Page Manifesto, it clearly states he was attacking BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION,
    and that he was NOT a Trump Supporter!! Have none of CNBC's people even bothered to READ it??

    All good questions. Are leftists manipulating ‘mass shootings’ to drive gun control? Why is no one calling foul on the unequal reporting and total avoidance of other death sources? Some legal process is involved in red flag reports/actions, but it’s blind to the accused. Are there any safeguards against false reports? I can see either side, not just lefties, using this to harass the other side. If there is no penalty for false reports, anybody can call a red flag in on a political opponent, or just somebody they are angry at, and reign hell down on them. Is there a check on the accuser, if the allegations are later found to be clearly false. Do they get an “oops”, and walk away?
     

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    It is clear to me that the politicians and a few "fringe groups" are pushing the whites and other than whites towards a civil war. Maybe not a "all out" war . . . but many,MANY,casualties. --- SAWMAN
     

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    I'm not 100% sure how Florida interprets their red flag law yet, but in Colorado you don't even have to file that in person, you can do it over the phone and it does not even cost a penny. You are guilty until you prove yourself innocent and you have one year to do so before losing your firearms.
    In response to leftists manipulating.... Why hasn't Trump built the wall yet? Why has he raised our debt ceiling to add trillions more to our national debt and why is there more gun control. Not even gun control its gun confiscation. If I weren't so naive and stupid I would say that we got fooled with Donald Trump.
    If you're wondering where Florida will end up with this law look into Washington State and Colorado as they seem to be the leaders in this red flag law.
     

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    This is guilty until proven innocent. Completely opposite of what our rights should be.
     

    FrankT

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    Maryland cops just murdered someone at the door in his home because he would not give them his gun...Their new red flag law I bet does not say kill the guy before you negotiate
     

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    Pretty good and long discussion so it's probably covered already. Red Flag laws are ripe for abuse so it will be abused. It's only a matter of how often. If you speak with your FFL, they all got a call recently encouraging them to report concerns to the ATF hotline. Mine said, you mean profile people. She said, oh no, you can't do that, just call if you have concerns about a potential buyer. It's the govt at their best. Doing nothing and collecting taxes!
     

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    Also, if you are going through a divorce in Florida and attempt to buy through a dealer, you will not be able to until the divorce is final. Time, my friends is on the side of the crazier and crazier left!
     

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    saw this on a freinds FB page today...seems like a good place to share it

    Red Flag Laws. Here’s what will happen...

    It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass...

    0200 Monday morning and your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty ole 870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flys open. “Oh shit!” As you shoulder your weapon and send a load of 00 Buck across your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the “thank God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the door and you fire again. This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down in town! Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right. You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind her. You feel the burning as 5.56 bullets Riddle your body. One clips your spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body. The last thing you see before you bleed out is a SWAT guy from your local PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor with a knee in her back as she screams and cry’s because she just watched her parents being murdered.

    Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on honor roll. Why did this happen?

    Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors to the community. Your wife made them some of her “world famous” cookies and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they were pleasant enough. The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and got infuriated. See, he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary black assault weapons on the table and that does it! He has to do something about the racist domestic terrorist living next door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The SO follows their SOP’s and conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

    Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing. Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news paper will report that you were killed after firing on and killing two deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were confiscated from your residence”.

    Oh, those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR15 around.

    This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws.

    Innocent people will lose their lives.

    Red Flag laws will be used for petty and vengeful reasons without merit.

    They must be stopped.
     

    tros6t

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    saw this on a freinds FB page today...seems like a good place to share it

    Red Flag Laws. Here’s what will happen...

    It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass...

    0200 Monday morning and your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty ole 870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flys open. “Oh shit!” As you shoulder your weapon and send a load of 00 Buck across your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the “thank God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the door and you fire again. This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down in town! Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right. You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind her. You feel the burning as 5.56 bullets Riddle your body. One clips your spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body. The last thing you see before you bleed out is a SWAT guy from your local PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor with a knee in her back as she screams and cry’s because she just watched her parents being murdered.

    Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on honor roll. Why did this happen?

    Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors to the community. Your wife made them some of her “world famous” cookies and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they were pleasant enough. The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and got infuriated. See, he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary black assault weapons on the table and that does it! He has to do something about the racist domestic terrorist living next door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The SO follows their SOP’s and conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

    Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing. Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news paper will report that you were killed after firing on and killing two deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were confiscated from your residence”.

    Oh, those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR15 around.

    This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws.

    Innocent people will lose their lives.

    Red Flag laws will be used for petty and vengeful reasons without merit.

    They must be stopped.

    This is likely an extreme case and likely from one of the already "Communist" states. I believe in Florida it has to be a doctor or close family member but still ripe for abuse.
     

    SAWMAN

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    If you have done something,through a threat,or action,to start the process to a night time black mask and full auto, 15 man raid, to confiscate every "WEAPON" in your house,garage,shed,barn,workshop,etc,etc.,that is one thing.
    But if you have NO knowledge of anything going on,and these home invaders ( don't fucking cringe,that is EXACTLY what they are) kick down your door at 0200 and start manhandling your wife and/or daughter . . . THEN . . . ?????
    At Waco,Texas - - -> if the Feds wanted to arrest the leader of the clan,they knew that he came into town on a certain day of the week,EVERY WEEK. Why did they have to kill all those people ?? And then there was Ruby Ridge.
    You really think that the guys in black masks are gonna give a shit about your wife and daughter ??? ---- SAWMAN
    ADDED: When does being a member of a night time raiding party become a "not so honorable" profession ??
    If I were a member of a SWAT team and some of these "go get him,he is a threat to society" laws are enacted . . . I'd go back to being a patrol cop.
     
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