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    Yeah, I seriously doubt any of us here would send this moron a Christmas card. That isn't my focus.
    I don't agree with many of the modern "our shit don't stink" groups, either, but as long as their protests don't devolve into physical violence, they should be allowed to speak their vacant minds.

    Because the day we freedom-loving Patriots have to take vacation days from work and go protest the Libtard Socialist regime in DC, there better not be some kind of precedent that "we find your words hurtful, therefore alarming, therefore possibly dangerous, therefore a risk to the public safety, therefore you're under arrest"...
     
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    So, the Leo’s chose 5:17 AM to show up at the mans door. I have to wonder why!
     
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    FLT said:
    So, the Leo’s chose 5:17 AM to show up at the mans door. I have to wonder why!
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    The prey/victim is awaken from sleep and easier to handle. Better chance of being sure he/she is at home. Standard operating procedure by police world wide. But normally it is a little earlier, like at 1-3AM.
     
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    Yep, not many witnesses to deal with in the middle of the night.
     
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    That weblink story is dated November of 2018, so this isn't "just starting" now.

    As for 'standard policy' of knocking on doors between 0100 and 0300, that seems like a great way to ensure the person is suspicious, pissed off, and uncooperative.
     
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    Snake-Eyes said:
    That weblink story is dated November of 2018, so this isn't "just starting" now.

    As for 'standard policy' of knocking on doors between 0100 and 0300, that seems like a great way to ensure the person is suspicious, pissed off, and uncooperative.
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    my trigger finger is awful itchy & twitchy at 0100-0300...
     
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    Snake-Eyes said:
    That weblink story is dated November of 2018, so this isn't "just starting" now.

    As for 'standard policy' of knocking on doors between 0100 and 0300, that seems like a great way to ensure the person is suspicious, pissed off, and uncooperative.
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    first I've seen, I understand the 'Take 'em by Surprise", but I would think this may have turned out better (especially for the 61 yr. old) if some compassion nay have been in the equation concerning the Police. But, I don't know the details, so.... and wont be an armchair QB...... You never know what the person you're looking at has going on in their personal life....
     
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    Snake-Eyes said:
    That weblink story is dated November of 2018, so this isn't "just starting" now.

    As for 'standard policy' of knocking on doors between 0100 and 0300, that seems like a great way to ensure the person is suspicious, pissed off, and uncooperative.
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    Would they be less suspicious, pissed off, and uncooperative if it was done at 7AM. The first thing the resident hears if they awaken at all are the doors being smashed in. Then a team of armed and armored people come looking for you. If they think you are armed just think what you would do if you were the attacker. It is really a scenario in the long run that you can not win if they have court sanctioned authority to raid your home. So if you are really as good as you think you are and if you engage them and win: Then you are a fugitive cop killer. It is a no win scenario.
     
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    Anybody that wears a mask while breaking into someone’s home is putting himself in harms way, sooner or later he will pick the wrong house. If you are a good guy why would you need to hide behind a mask ? If a man is ashamed of what he does to the point of hiding his face perhaps he isn’t such a good guy after all.
     
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    FLT said:
    Anybody that wears a mask while breaking into someone’s home is putting himself in harms way, sooner or later he will pick the wrong house. If you are a good guy why would you need to hide behind a mask ? If a man is ashamed of what he does to the point of hiding his face perhaps he isn’t such a good guy after all.
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    There more than one reason for the mask. Some people claim not being able to see a face under some circumstances slows down incoming fire. Of course it makes it more difficult to identify an individual officer when trying to obtain justice in court if there is no identification possible. I have seen the secret service training in both white and black ninja outfits (but no Masks) and part of it again is to slow down the decision of their targets to open fire.
    I have no illusions as civilian of about winning such a contest if I am in the house when it is raided. It could also be that you have no choice in that they will kill you anyway. If we ever get to such a point that the democraps are sending out such teams anything is possible.
    Likely these teams would be especially recruited from democrap fanatics and why not the illegals. Illegals would have no problem killing americans. One can also throw in some gang bangers that have reformed themselves and seen the light of freedom and brotherhood.
     
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    Fog of War, shit happens. I don't want to shoot at LE and give them no reason to shoot at me. Why do they raid at Zero dark thirty? Suprise, catching you off guard hopefully asleep and then overwhelm the target while drowsy, confused and dazed. A person outside your house yells a single word while your asleep: do you hear it, understant the word, comprehend what is being initiated and that its against yiu/family? In this "state of conciousness" they deliberately created. If a resident tags up on a few of them until he/she is taken out or fully comprehends its a LE home invasion not a thuggy invasion: I SEE NO FAULT ON THE PART OF THE RESIDENT and Serving a High Risk Warrant, drug raid, Red Flag Raid, SWATTED or wrong house doesn't make a shit bit of difference. There are natural human responses to stimuli, no different here. The only thing that helps you is more time from door to your bedside. Add some door frame dead bolt to both sides (addtop and bottom too) of your exterior and bedroom doors.

    If cops raid the wrong house and kills/injures the resident the response is Oops, we'll do more training
    If the resident kills/injures a cop during a raid on the wrong house he gets killed or Charged.

    Yes, I know real BGs kill/injure cops during these raids and Zero Dark Thirty actions are done to reduce that. Everybody rolls the dice.
     
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