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    New Federal Shorty Shotshells

    Federal now makes minishells like the Aguilas. I recently bought some and tried them back to back with the Aguilas to see how they compete.

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    The Federals are a bit taller but with lower brass.

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    However, the Federals definitely have more punch than the Aguilas. The Federal impact hole is on the bottom, the Aguila impact hole is on the top. Recoil in a Mossberg Shockwave was noticeably stronger than the Aguilas.

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    I think I'll let my wife use the Aguilas in her shockwave and I'll use the Federals in my KSG. Federals were slightly cheaper too. Snakes beware!

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    Wondering if the Federals will work with the OpSol adaptor installed or if the little bit of extra OAL will allow them to feed in my Shockwave without.
    Could you please measure the Fed and let us know the OAL. Looks to be about a 1/4" longer.
    For me . . . the Aguila's work perfectly and are of the appropriate power and load density in bird or buck. (Especially for woods AND household snakes.) If I feel the need to step up,there are somewhat reduced power bird and even buck I could use.
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    Federals Mini's additional length might allow it to cycle in Rem 870 actions like the TAC-14. Might not be just a length issue, shell center of balance with low brass may also help keep the shell level while in transition from tube mag to chamber. Somebody will review that potential application sooner or later.
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    How many and what cost of that box of Feds ?? ---- SAWMAN
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    I'm still looking for my caliper. Here's a link to the Federals, $4.99 for 10.

    https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...-p-109113.aspx

    $6.99 for #4 Buck
    https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...-p-109112.aspx

    $6.99 for rifled slug.
    https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...-p-109104.aspx
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    Aguila birdshot is 1.36" in length. Federal birdshot is 1.51" in length. I don't have any real scales but the Federal definitely feels a tad heavier.
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    Completely forgot about the new Challenger minishells I bought last Christmas. They are 1.45" in length, are right between the Aguilas and the Federals in power and are currently slightly cheaper than the rest.



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    The holes in this heavy wooden exterior door are left to right: Aguila, Challenger and Federal. Shot in succession from the same gun, same distance, same stance.

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    The Aguilas are made in Mexico and are just over 5/8's of an ounce (18grams).

    The Challengers are made in France and are 5/8's of an ounce. Not sure why the box has a huge Red Maple leaf that looks like the Canadian flag on the front but they are actually made in France. Who knew?

    The Federals are made in the USA and are 15/16's of an ounce.


    My primary use for these are to turn poisonous snakes into good snakes from a safe distance. I have 150 acres with a creek and spring fed 20 acre swamp in the middle. Lots of fish, frogs and rats for the snakes to eat. State of Florida says you can have up to 280 moccasins per acre in such an environment. I believe it as I usually kill one a day when I'm up there. I've also killed rattlesnakes and copperheads.
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    Just FYI here, I spottd the Aguila buckshot loads in Academy last week for $12.88 for the 20-round box.
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    The 45GAP discussion had a comparison of 45ACP vs 45GAP akin to 12-gauge standard vs minishells.
    It reminded me of the Paul Harrell review videos. Here they are (original, and the part-2 with the Opsol adapter)

    https://youtu.be/13LaTffG1K0

    https://youtu.be/vIiMmWv9h7Q

    Synopsis: the Aguila minishells have fewer pellets, slower velocity, and worse accuracy than standard ammo. Recoil is comparable to lighter-recoil standard ammo, but at a higher price per shell. The Aguila performance on the "meat target" showed decent potential for home defense.

    This alternate "minishell" ammo from Federal and Challenger might do better. If it runs in a pump without the need for an adapter, that's a great plus. If it's more accurate than the Aguila, even better. The higher recoil might indicate better terminal effects.

    Any experience with the Federal and Challenger in an 870?
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    I see Remington now has a wood furniture version with a longer mag tube that increased capacity even with the Mossy. I don't know what took them so long to do it, being -1 surely cost them in sales. This version is about $400 (ouch). The Detachable Mag (DM) version has been out for awhile, looks a bit awkward with standard mag. Then there's Semi-auto versions. Anybody seen the Standard Manufacturing RKO Mini with 25 shell drum?
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