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    I tired to ignore your first post, but after you bumped it, yea, I couldn't pass that up. Too cheap.

    I wasn't up on the nitride treatment though, so in return, I offer this bit from Faxon's website:

    Frequenty Asked Questions: Nitride vs. Chrome Lined
    Feb 6th 2017

    Often we are asked: “Which is better? Chrome-lined or Nitride-treated?”

    It’s a great question and astute customers notice that Faxon sells predominantly Nitride-treated barrels through our website. However, Faxon sells 1,000’s of barrels going through chrome to our OEM customers. We use both options, depending on the barrel and its intended usage.

    For the general consumer, pro-shooter, and even many military applications, Nitride is a fantastic option. To us, it’s the ideal blend of performance, accuracy, and practicality for shooters.

    What is the Difference Between the Two Processes?

    Chrome Lining

    Chrome lining a barrel is an additive process. Typically, a barrel is submerged into a liquid solution and an anode is run through the barrel. When electrically charged, the chrome then bonds to the inside of the bore, adding material to the bore. Sometimes, an electro-polishing operation is used on the inside of the bore to remove material before chrome is added. Chrome is typically a few thousandths thick, though can be additionally plated for extreme applications.

    Chrome has excellent corrosion and abrasion resistant properties, but only coats the inside of the barrel. To protect the outside of the barrel, a phosphate coating is typically added. MIL-SPEC is manganese phosphate, which requires oil to provide excellent corrosion resistance on the outside of the barrel. Mag phos typically has a matte grey finish.

    Nitride

    Instead of adding material to the bore (like Chrome lining), Nitride treats the existing steel by imbuing nitrogen into the steel itself. This is done through a gaseous plasma or a liquid salt-bath and there are various nitrocarburization processes depending on the technical need. Faxon always uses the liquid salt bath Quench, Polish, Quench (QPQ) method. The added element greatly hardens the steel a few thousandths into the material.

    As a treatment, Nitride does not add any materials to the bore, rather it treats the bore as it came from the factory. Like Chrome, the treatment greatly increases corrosion and abrasion resistance. Nitride treats both the inside and the outside of the barrel and does not require any oils to provide the best corrosion protection. As a final step, nitrided barrels are treated with a black oxide finish and can be high gloss or matte depending on the blasting process prior to black oxide.

    Which is more accurate?

    Both can be precise, but Nitride will always be more accurate all things being equal. Nitride “locks in” the bore, chrome will add material to it. Chrome providers have gotten very good at this over the years, the adhesion of chrome is not perfect and there will be a small degradation in accuracy, though it may not be noticed. This is mitigated somewhat by those electropolishing, but one cannot perfectly plate chrome.

    Which will give me a longer barrel life?

    Assuming both are 4150 steels and shot semi-auto (even spirited semi auto), we have found both have very similar round counts before we see degradation of accuracy. If firing cyclic full-auto fire through extreme duty cycles, chrome will have an advantage.

    Which has better corrosion resistance?

    Nitride, but given enough time and exposure, Nitride will corrode as well. Nitriding barrels provides a massive gain in corrosion resistance, but no process is 100% rust-proof. Faxon always recommends the barrel is cleaned and dried as needed. A little oil doesn’t hurt, either.

    What About Stainless Steel?

    Stainless steel can be easily nitrided, but it is very difficult to add chrome to stainless steel. Nitride significantly increases the barrel life and corrosion resistance of “stainless” (which for barrel stainless steel is not rust-proof).

    Which is less expensive?

    Nitride is significantly less expensive and less time-consuming for making barrels. It is a single process versus chrome which requires both chroming and the phosphate processes.

    Is Nitride the same as Melonite, Isonite, Fenocite, QPQ?

    Faxon typically uses the terms “nitride” and “QPQ” to refer to how our barrels are processed. “Melonite,” “Isonite,” etc are all branding terms for various similar nitride processes. Typically, these will each have a small tweak compared to the other, but they are largely the same in terms of performance.

    So, which is better?

    Neither chrome-lining or nitride is a better process than the other, they are excellent processes for specific purposes.

    OK, so what does Faxon recommend chrome-lining for?

    For almost all shooters, Nitride is ideal. Chrome is appropriate for heavy military usage where the shooter would be firing full-auto cyclically under extreme duty cycles.
     

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    Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah, . . . for 99.999% of us CM or (if you must) stainless is all we need.
    AND . . . a well made CM bbl is the most accurate of all. --- SAWMAN
     

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    Doesn't matter, for a first ar or even a build ar, you aren't going to beat the price. When and the "when" is used lightly, you happen to shoot out the barrel, you can buy a ss barrel for less than a $100 (68) at bca. So unless you plan on shooting 30rd mags continuously thru the barrel w/o stopping just to burn the barrel out, but then why would you want a ss barrel to do that?
     

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    If you want ARs and similar now is the time to buy them. They will never be cheaper and likely will become a lot more expensive with the approach of the 2020 election and purchase of new guns eventually stopped.

    My last upper has a stainless steel barrel and for say 7.62x39 or 300 blkout will do all right. 5.56 loads operate at higher pressures and a more resistant barrel surfacing is needed. While nitride protects the outside of the barrel as well as the inside of the bore, only the surface of the bore is important for accuracy. Chromium seems to be the better coating for the bore.
    I do not know it is has changed, but the germans for the G3 did not used chromed barrels which is strange. The Yugoslavians also did not use it on their guns and some claim it is because they did not have ready access to that element.
     

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    Gander has Anderson's in stock at 39.19 and club memmbers save even more. No transfer fee or shipping.. build a basic rifle for pennies
     
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