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    Honest men and leaders never fear an armed, law-abiding civilian population



    dishonest men and leaders will always fear an armed, law-abiding civilian population..thus is why they seek to disarm us, they know it is our duty, and right to depose them...
     

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    The "Sky" or collectively the atmosphere, does have boundaries: Earth and Outer Space.

    "Then God said let "US" create man in "OUR" own Image, according to "OUR" likeness". Who or what exactly are the "us and our" referring to? We know in the next line a singular God took acition on the suggested comments made to a group of.. What? Angels (Sons of God), the Devine Council perhaps.

    No human has ever had the power of God, image and likeness does not equal exact duplication. Is God human? By any measure other than similarities of appearance refered to: no. So clearly if not human nor a Earth bound species, wouldn't that scientifically classify God as a alien? Same with Angels as they are lesser than God but greater than humans.

    Science and Creationism, are they really so dissimilar as to be incompatible? I think they run hand in hand. The Big Bang theory, evolution and Genesis actually align quite well. Some say the evolutionary time scale eliminates Gods "days" of creation. God didn't make our Sun until the Fourth Day, so obviously God was not bound to our 24 hour cycle of day/night as it didn't exist when God started. Gods "Day" could be millions of years or more/less. God may have worked longer on some days and less on others. Maybe Gods creations were by design, developed by evolutionary steps. Man was to have dominion over all living creatures. Dinosaurs would have threatened Man's dominion so they became extinct. The Faithful, using Gods provided Day/Night, observe the Sabbath.

    Just thought provoking ideas, I'm not trying to make converts or atheists.
     

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    My most wow I am just insignificant dust in the wind moment was when I saw the Grand Canyon for the first time in person.
     

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    Well for one, I'm going to start loading all my reloads to +P!! If aliens are coming I'm going out kickin' and screamin'. Doesn't matter, I still have yard work to get done. LOL.
     

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    Well for one, I'm going to start loading all my reloads to +P!! If aliens are coming I'm going out kickin' and screamin'. Doesn't matter, I still have yard work to get done. LOL.



    that would be great if they lived on weeds, dead branches and cogon grass, and kudzu

    I could get one fat here...then shoot it and barbque it....
     

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    No matter how far we go or how much we discover, there's still more beyond that to dig into. No how much farther we see or go in space, there's farther!!! No matter how tiny we get down to what things are made up of with technology, we can still keep going! It's never ending! And it all works in this balance somehow!

    That is how I am an engineer/scientist at heart and can have faith at the same time! Humans will never be able to grasp the complexity of the universe we exist in! Because once we discover something, there's even more to go on past that! The complexity of it all boggles the smartest minds of our days and will continue to do so! That is where faith in something bigger has to step in. Not saying that your faith has to be this or that. But you simply cannot think about the magnitude of what we even know now and say that faith in something more is not a possibility as well! If you can, then good on you and well, let the rest of know the solution of how the universe turns and works on every level so well!

    I'd sure like to know!
     

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    The "Sky" or collectively the atmosphere, does have boundaries: Earth and Outer Space.

    "Then God said let "US" create man in "OUR" own Image, according to "OUR" likeness". Who or what exactly are the "us and our" referring to? We know in the next line a singular God took acition on the suggested comments made to a group of.. What? Angels (Sons of God), the Devine Council perhaps.

    No human has ever had the power of God, image and likeness does not equal exact duplication. Is God human? By any measure other than similarities of appearance refered to: no. So clearly if not human nor a Earth bound species, wouldn't that scientifically classify God as a alien? Same with Angels as they are lesser than God but greater than humans.

    Science and Creationism, are they really so dissimilar as to be incompatible? I think they run hand in hand. The Big Bang theory, evolution and Genesis actually align quite well. Some say the evolutionary time scale eliminates Gods "days" of creation. God didn't make our Sun until the Fourth Day, so obviously God was not bound to our 24 hour cycle of day/night as it didn't exist when God started. Gods "Day" could be millions of years or more/less. God may have worked longer on some days and less on others. Maybe Gods creations were by design, developed by evolutionary steps. Man was to have dominion over all living creatures. Dinosaurs would have threatened Man's dominion so they became extinct. The Faithful, using Gods provided Day/Night, observe the Sabbath.

    Just thought provoking ideas, I'm not trying to make converts or atheists.
    I think what you mean relative to 'Science' are the current facts and theories that the scientific method considers to be giving the best explanation of what is around us. 'Creationism' to some extent depends on which creed one professes. But in Christian communities it usually tries to offer explanations that are thought to agree with genesis and other books of the bible. That should not be the function of the scientific process. A good scientist leaves his beliefs outside the lab when he enters it
    One problem that I have with many Christians, Jews, and even Muslims is that they assume that if you believe in god, it must be some version of their biblical god. The gods of the pagans or other concepts of a supernatural being(s) is not even considered. Point being if I were to accept the concept of a Creator, the Christian version would be just one of a multitude of creeds that one would have to consider. Part of the Christian belief is that god is so concerned about mankind that he gave up his son to a temporary death to atone for the sins of man that seem in part to stem from the garden of Eden. Everyone has got to get saved by the dead son of god, Jesus, for these sins. Also all of this in the modern Christian Church is the trinity that is one and the same, father, son, and holy ghost. There at one time were other christian points of view, but the Roman Church's trinity point of view prevailed and to my knowledge the other Christian Churches are extinct. I might have some of the theology not perfect, but the point is the Christian religion is more than just a belief in god. there is a lot more to it than just that.

    Hopefully I have not upset people here. Look the basis of the Christian religion for an educated man is faith and not scientific fact as was explained to me by a well educated Catholic priest. I got a Master's degree in science from a catholic university in Chicago and had some contact with priests. They are worth talking to since they do know a thing or two.
     

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    One of the issues I've had with organized religion around these subjects is the tendency to just ignore current discoveries and theories. Always question, always learn, always discover.
     

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    I sometimes feel small and insignificant in the boat sometimes off shore.... Just a small white dot...
     

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    ME !! I watch Ancient Alians "religiously" and believe every word said.
    Heck,who built all that stuff ?? Not humans.
    I've been abducted several times but quickly returned for various reasons. I had to sign a confidentially agreement.
    Wait a minute. There is somebody at the door. --- SAWMAN
     

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    One of the issues I've had with organized religion around these subjects is the tendency to just ignore current discoveries and theories. Always question, always learn, always discover.
    I absolutely agree with your point. The thing is people do not like the unknown and unpredictable.
    Many religions promise you something good if you adhere to their teachings. People like this and therefore the success of organized religion. Many religious cover their bases by saying if you do not adhere bad things will happen to you when you die. Impossible to know prior to dying of course.
    After the fall of Rome, it took about 600 years, but most of western europe got converted from paganism to Christianity, often by the feudal rulers. In Rome it was Constantine that essentially choose Christianity to be the state religion. Scholars are not absolutely sure if he was a Christian and if he was one when he became when he legitimized it. Another great founder of christianity was Vladimir the great. He was a viking ruler over what became Russian. he started out a pagan.
    Although Christianity spread in the region under Oleg's rule, Vladimir had remained a thoroughgoing pagan, taking eight hundred concubines (along with numerous wives) and erecting pagan statues and shrines to gods.[20]
    He was the founder of the Russian Orthodox Church. Rulers in Europe and adjacent areas of Asia and also north africa found the Roman and Orthodox forms of Christianity to conducive to ruling serfs and peasants. They worked hard for the lord and Church for that were to be rewarded with a place in heaven to live forever with great happiness.
    Jump forward some centuries and then the Protestants come on the scene and people, even those on the bottom if they worked hard are entitled to a higher station in life in this world. I personally like that ethic better.
    I really do not care what someone believes as long as they do not try to rule me according to their beliefs. Socialists, communists, religious fanatics, democratic party, and fascists would like to tell you what to believe and how you should live.
     

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    Genesis is not solely aligned with Christian beliefs. Written accounts by the Samaritans and others predate the Bible by 1000 years and include many of the same stories. Many religions and cultures historical reference supernatural beings or gods and demigods. If we ponder the Big Bang Theory: Where did the materials for that combustion come from? If the materials were "just present": why hasn't the Bang been repeated here to some degree? Depending on who is guessing, there were prior big bangs to the one that started our ball rolling and others say there big bangs continue to occur creating other galaxies.

    Don't hypothesis and then scientific theory start as beliefs then collect facts as they know them? What if science as we know it is wrong? The educated population of Europe thought the Earth was flat only 500 years ago!

    The Observable Universe is expanding at such a rate that what exists at any "current time" will always be considered its infancy. If we understand the current content and growth of the Universe, can we be so vain or ignorant to believe that Earth is the only place that has life, intelligent life, and no sub/equal/advanced life exists on the other150 Sextrillion stars/planets?

    Take a look from here to the edge of the observable Universe but realize there is more "space" beyond that. I won't say we/Earth is insignificant but we occupy a miniscule spec in the vastness of our surroundings.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0
     

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    Genesis is not solely aligned with Christian beliefs. Written accounts by the Samaritans and others predate the Bible by 1000 years and include many of the same stories. Many religions and cultures historical reference supernatural beings or gods and demigods. If we ponder the Big Bang Theory: Where did the materials for that combustion come from? If the materials were "just present": why hasn't the Bang been repeated here to some degree? Depending on who is guessing, there were prior big bangs to the one that started our ball rolling and others say there big bangs continue to occur creating other galaxies.

    Don't hypothesis and then scientific theory start as beliefs then collect facts as they know them? What if science as we know it is wrong? The educated population of Europe thought the Earth was flat only 500 years ago!

    The Observable Universe is expanding at such a rate that what exists at any "current time" will always be considered its infancy. If we understand the current content and growth of the Universe, can we be so vain or ignorant to believe that Earth is the only place that has life, intelligent life, and no sub/equal/advanced life exists on the other150 Sextrillion stars/planets?

    Take a look from here to the edge of the observable Universe but realize there is more "space" beyond that. I won't say we/Earth is insignificant but we occupy a miniscule spec in the vastness of our surroundings.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0
    Your statement cover so many aspects I really do not feel up to looking up the answers to many of the statements you just made. Lets look at just one.
    The educated population of Europe thought the Earth was flat only 500 years ago!
    Well that does not say a whole lot for the state of European knowledge does it, but Columbus obviously knew better. More than two thousand years ago the Egyptian-Greek scholars proved that the earth was not flat and one attempted to calculate its general diameter. See here how it was done.
    I do not really want to discuss too much on the origin of biblical stories since as you mention they are very similar to everybody else's stories of the time.

    Final statement
    What if science as we know it is wrong?
    Scientists, especially those in the social sciences have been more than once wrong, being that in some cases used falsified data to prove points. Took a while, but those falsehoods got exposed. An important part of science is peer review. It is easier for scientists to be objective about a 3 and half spotted beetle in the Amazon than with differences of intelligence between different peoples based on color for example. On the race thing the scientific community now mostly considers such research to be taboo which is also not good science, but perhaps in the short run might be the safest course. Such is a topic for further discussion relative to avoiding questions for the public good.
     

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    One of the issues I've had with organized religion around these subjects is the tendency to just ignore current discoveries and theories. Always question, always learn, always discover.

    I mentioned the "Big Bang" on another Gulf coast forum years ago and got such grief and rude comments by the 6000 year old Earth crowd I left the forum. I believe in God but there's plenty of room for Him in science.

    Rick
     

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    I mentioned the "Big Bang" on another Gulf coast forum years ago and got such grief and rude comments by the 6000 year old Earth crowd I left the forum. I believe in God but there's plenty of room for Him in science.

    Rick
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    I mentioned the "Big Bang" on another Gulf coast forum years ago and got such grief and rude comments by the 6000 year old Earth crowd I left the forum. I believe in God but there's plenty of room for Him in science.

    Rick

    Looking at this post, and the diversity of people who liked it made me love this forum even more. This subject and the devisive opinions that accompany it usually leave people at odds. But it seems that people here, whether devout believers or the A Word, can at least talk about crazy s&!+ like the universe and how expansive it is without raising too much hell.

    In the end, we all praise John Moses Browning, and the almighty .45. Amen!!!
     

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    I've read Science has not proven why ice is slippery or how gravity works or why it doesn't; they have "theories" and they vary. Theory means best guess but still unproven. Lol
     

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    Hypothesis vs. Theory. A hypothesis is either a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon, or a reasoned prediction of a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena. In science, a theory is a tested, well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven factors.
     

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    Throw enough rocks up and watch them fall proves that gravity is what keeps them from going up but while it might prove the theory it doesn’t explain why and how gravity works
    Still waiting on my anti-gravity sled powered with cold-fusion


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