@FLT so someone threatening/yelling at your wife/girlfriend you would just standby and watch huh? Especially another man. Sorry how I was raised you go to the other man of the family.
It would seem that wasn’t a very smart move in this case.
@FLT so someone threatening/yelling at your wife/girlfriend you would just standby and watch huh? Especially another man. Sorry how I was raised you go to the other man of the family.
You are basically right so where does this leave us. World, the politicians, and the public have no idea. So where does his leave the rest of us? I have just a few more years and will try to live it as best as I can and stay out of trouble if I possibly can.it seems that we are focused on different things. For example some of us are talking about the legality or morality of shooting a man for shoving you. Some other are focused on a more pragmatic survival lesson i.e don't start a physical altercation unless you are willing to die because it could escalate. Others are in the "I am too old to fistfight" so I will shoot you camp and point to the size and or age difference to justify the shooting.
Finally, we have the "everyone messed up and this should never have happened" crowd.
In a way everyone is partially right. It never should have happened. The woman should not have parked in the handicapped spot. The shooter should not have yelled at her for this, call the cops or write down the tag but don't confront. The BF should not have escalated a verbal argument to a physical one, and the shooter should not have escalated a push into a shooting. However, I do not accept that the BF was asking for it. Nor will I accept that the shooter was in fear of his life or of great bodily harm or a forcible felony at the moment he pull the trigger.
if either of them had the proper morals and values, that the civilized world should have, one would be alive, the other would not have shot...
Does not matter the gun he had and even a Glock has 3 safeties.
Wow so using the word as a example everyone freaks the fuck out. I know life only exists in Gulf Coast Gun Forum. I am done with you keyboard warriors. @Snake-eyes here you go calling the guy a thug exactly what I was talking about and again we have no audio. Quit with the assumptions.
My husband asked me if it was known what gun he had.
He then raised the point that what if the CCW holder had a no safety gun and had an "unintended discharge" ( because he was shaken and just waiting to see if the agressor was really retreating ), but then added we will never know because if the gun owner admits to it that would make it a negligent homocide.
Incidently, this scenario is one reason why when pondering what type of weapon system I should choose for conceal carry I decided on the 1911 style.
Precisely because I would rather lose that *time* that would immediately allow me to take a life for gain that the same time would give me in legal trouble and even possible wrong conviction in defending myself.
I understood that when you use a gun to defend yourself, the self defense does not end with the pull of the trigger.
My husband asked me if it was known what gun he had.
He then raised the point that what if the CCW holder had a no safety gun and had an "unintended discharge" ( because he was shaken and just waiting to see if the agressor was really retreating ), but then added we will never know because if the gun owner admits to it that would make it a negligent homocide.
Incidently, this scenario is one reason why when pondering what type of weapon system I should choose for conceal carry I decided on the 1911 style.
Precisely because I would rather lose that *time* that would immediately allow me to take a life for gain that the same time would give me in legal trouble and even possible wrong conviction in defending myself.
I understood that when you use a gun to defend yourself, the self defense does not end with the pull of the trigger.
Thank you for asking me personally.Asking out of curiosity... Where in your draw stroke do you take off the safety?
Disorientation for certain must be considered. I read a horrible story once while staying in a motel. Elderly couple hears noise at night, man takes handgun to investigate and gets struck down. His wife later comes looking for him she tried to help him up and is mortally wounded.
That is a scenario I have not trained for and deserves some thought.
Thank you for asking me personally.
I made a personal observation that mattered to me only because I am female, and being from a different cpuntry was brainwashed against guns and it took a lot of soap to clear my brain and accept the 2A.
I was afraid, mostly of myself pulling a trigger prematurely during disorientation.
I have never had to use my gun and under duress that is a question mark for me because I did not grow up in America with years of gun awareness and training.
In the face of imminent rape or death the safety wpuld be off asap on leaving the holster.
In this scenario and the one of the waitress in a different state weeks prior to this one where the man knocked down her co worker and was feet away from her, I may draw the gun but not disengage the safety IF I felt there was enough distance and enough doubt in my gut the treat was dissipating.
I don't know.
However, what I do know is, given my background above, my lack of extensive experience with guns, my personal responses to stress and danger, the 1911 system offers me better finger discipline.
I also do not presume I will never make a mistake and therefore humble prefer to have safety points before a point of no return.
I have been rear ended twice in a parked car and can say it does leave you disoriented.
When I remeber this and put myself on the ground after a violent impact and possibly seeing 3 people coming at me and verbal threats, I may want tthe safety on till I gathered my senses.
I don't know.
Just wondering how it would apply in this situation. I don't have a manual safety on my carry or most of my other handguns. That's my choice, just as it's yours to carry a 1911. The little bit of practice I've done with a manual safety, I always tried to get it off once it cleared the holster as I presented the pistol. While I understand your statement about the extra time it takes for a manual safety I don't think that time would have helped in this situation unless the victim/shooter trained in a manner that made safety removal a separate/distinct step in his draw (eg: present, assess threat, safety off if still threatened, shoot). While it would seem that any extra step (safety, israeli carry etc) would add time between drawing and firing I think the bigger factor is what you practice for. With that said, I still feel like the guy had made up his mind to shoot as soon as he went for the gun.