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    FL law says it has to be securely encased. Some examples are, a glove-box (locked or unlocked), in the console with lid closure (locked/unlocked) or in a case, such as a zippered gun case, holster with restraining device, strap or other retention mechanism to securely encase/hold the pistol. Stuck between the seat and console doesn't meet the criteria as shown in your picture. A securely encased pistol could be stuffed between the seats "in plain sight" w/o a cwp. And it could be stuffed there too out of sight if you have a cwp. so long as it is securely encased.
    Even in plain sight (not concealed) a pistol has to be encased, even if you have a cwp.
    Plain sight is if a ordinary person can see it without any obstructions. If it's on the seat hidden from sight, covered with a shirt, newspaper or whatever, stuffed underneath the seat or stuffed between seats, console or whatever, it is considered concealed.
    Long-guns do not have to be encased in a vehicle (in Fl), unless you're on 213 on the blacktop in eglin. (even your bow has to be encased there).
    I personally wouldn't carry it around in my vehicle for "protection". Seems to me like a jury would find that to be an over-kill (no pun intended). If just transporting to/fro shooting, etc.. I'd keep it in the trunk or put it in an appropriate sized gun case. g/l

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadeogray View Post
    According to a LEO in Pensacola this is not entirely accurate. If you have a ccw permit and carrying a pistol, you do not need to hide it from view in your vehicle as Florida considers your vehicle an extension of your home. According to him you can stick it in a holster and lay it on your front seat or wedge it between your seat and console and your good to go. This is for CCW permit holders only mind you.
    A CCW lawyer in front of the ERGC during a talk with questions and answers told us that a gun lying in plain sight on the seat of a car was concealed assuming I got that right.
    This is really a confusing topic.

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    I know I'm going to catch it for this ,but here goes Very poor choice for a firearm to have in a car. to have to use if needed, Get smart and go to a good ccw class, and learn. And you wouldn't have to aske this question. Just my 5 cents jj

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    I know I'm going to catch it for this ,but here goes Very poor choice for a firearm to have in a car. to have to use if needed, Get smart and go to a good ccw class, and learn. And you wouldn't have to aske this question. Just my 5 cents jj
    You can carry the AR in addition to your pistol. If you get one in 300 blackout using all copper barnes bullets you can really shoot through the sheet metal of a vehicle to reliably kill people inside of it. If you get stopped by a mob manned roadblock, having thirty round magazines in an assault rifle cartridge pistol AR does have its merits. I think my glock will likely handle what ever I need, but as I said I can see a use for the AR pistol. By the way I do not own an AR pistol.
    I just strongly disagree with the attitude behind the statement below in that sometimes a little knowledge can lead people to thinking they know more than they do.
    smart and go to a good ccw class, and learn. And you wouldn't have to aske this question.
    By the way one good CCW class is just the first step of the ladder to learning the art of the pistol. Train the way you carry and live. For example do not train with a holster that just fits inside of the rules for some of various gun games people play. Train from your concealment holster with your shirt over the gun.
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    I am with JJ here, learn to use your handgun, you are not out killing people in cars or attacking large groups of people with an AR. If you follow your training you fight to get out of trouble not to get deeper into it. For me paranoid people are the worst to carry in the first place. My Glock with a 15 rd mag and a 33 spare is enough for defense and to get out of all the trouble I want to have in the Walmart parking lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankT View Post
    I am with JJ here, learn to use your handgun, you are not out killing people in cars or attacking large groups of people with an AR. If you follow your training you fight to get out of trouble not to get deeper into it. For me paranoid people are the worst to carry in the first place. My Glock with a 15 rd mag and a 33 spare is enough for defense and to get out of all the trouble I want to have in the Walmart parking lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    I know I'm going to catch it for this
    i can't imagine why...seems like it would be hard to deploy from the passenger seat...unless it was through the passenger window even with a ton of training

    velcro strap that short barreled puppy to the door pillar on the drivers side between the front and back seat. get out and rip the loop and use pillar for cover or it is not far from a wheel well

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    Either concealed with a ccwl, securely encased, or going to and from one of the activities that allow open carry! Those are the only ways to have a handgun in your vehicle.

    There's no stupid step rule or anything else that will keep you legal. Read the law and just go by it.

    And if the OP wants to have that in his vehicle, that's his business. I don't need to give my opinion one way or another about what someone wants to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telum Pisces View Post
    Either concealed with a ccwl, securely encased, or going to and from one of the activities that allow open carry! Those are the only ways to have a handgun in your vehicle.

    There's no stupid step rule or anything else that will keep you legal. Read the law and just go by it.

    And if the OP wants to have that in his vehicle, that's his business. I don't need to give my opinion one way or another about what someone wants to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadeogray View Post
    According to a LEO in Pensacola this is not entirely accurate. If you have a ccw permit and carrying a pistol, you do not need to hide it from view in your vehicle as Florida considers your vehicle an extension of your home. According to him you can stick it in a holster and lay it on your front seat or wedge it between your seat and console and your good to go. This is for CCW permit holders only mind you.
    This statement conflicts itself. Since your vehicle is an extention of your home (correct): You DO NOT NEED A CCW to have a properly encased firearm in a vehicle. A CWP would allow that person to "carry it" physically on their person (body).

    People are getting confused mixed messages and transition is not clear. I'll try and break it down further.

    1. No CCW, don't even need to be a Fl Resident, just within the State: You may lawfully carry an loaded "totally encased" firearm within the passenger compartment. The encased firearm can not be on your person (body).

    2. No CCW, while In the process (ACTUALLY GOING) during a Mandatory Evacuation: you may conceal carry a weapon or firearm within the boundaries of Florida. FL 790.01 (3)(a)

    3. A person with a CWFL GETS INTO A VEHICLE (conveyance):
    a. The person can carry a properly concealed handgun on their person (body).
    b. The person carrying a handgun "concealed off-body" with handgun in open compartment of a purse (not encased but concealed) and kept within reach (manual possession) still lawfully carrying under their CCWL.
    c. The person is "carrying off-body " with handgun in a briefcase (totally enclosed) fits both lawful requirements for CCW (within reach equals manual possession) and without CCW: firearm in a conveyance.
    d. The person is carrying "on body" then removes the handgun from his person: if snapped in holster or otherwise he further "totally encased" it: it falls outside of his CWP and into the Statute of firearm in conveyance.
    e. The person keeps the CCW handgun concealed on his person AND has an additional fully loaded firearm snapped in a holster or otherwise "totally encased" within the passenger compartment. The handgun and firearm are both legal simultaneously. One does not impact the legality of the other.

    Note: "Handgun" and "Firearm" mean different things dependent on the Statute.
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