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    Just like the title do y’all think the 2nd amendment is on the verge of becoming a dead right? I always here the same ole narrative in the 2A community “I’m all for the 2A buuttt…” but in reality you are lying to yourself. Then you have a lot of gun owners that can’t even decide on how much infringement they are okay with. Because let’s face it the gun community has been conditioned to believe that some infringement is okay and a lot believe it.

    Then we always hear there will be a so called “Revolution.” Nope there won’t be a so called Revolution. There isn’t a single group of gun lovers that I know that will get to that point where it is worth fighting for a gun. Hell we, yes I said we, are too lazy to even fight the laws that are being proposed. Revolutions happen when people have literally nothing to lose; nothing and I don’t see anyone leaving their cushion lives to fight for our guns.

    So what do y’all think? Is the 2nd amendment on the road to becoming a dying amendment? I just thought I would ask because it just seems a lot of the gun community lives in this false world of reality is in the future.

    Keep in mind I'm not pointing individual fingers but I'm just speaking from what I have observed in the 2A community. Also keep in mind when I say "we" I'm talking about the a lot of the 2A community.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment is far from dying. The issue is that liberals are trying to kill it. Most people know that without the 2nd Amendment, the others would be in serious danger of being eliminated. The 2nd Amendment is the great equalizer.
     

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    If the 2nd amendment goes away, then the rest of the amendments will follow. It seems we have already given up the 4th
     
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    I understand that it is a great equalizer and without it we are screwed but look at the gun laws since about 1927 to now. Look at who we are allowing these changes. All it takes is one brain washed generation to change the course of history. Y'all seriously don't think that the 2A is on the verge of dying if the the 2A community doesn't voice our opinions as loud as the antis? And honestly it's more than just the left and liberals that believe in gun control.
     

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    Just like the title do y’all think the 2nd amendment is on the verge of becoming a dead right? I always here the same ole narrative in the 2A community “I’m all for the 2A buuttt…” but in reality you are lying to yourself. Then you have a lot of gun owners that can’t even decide on how much infringement they are okay with. Because let’s face it the gun community has been conditioned to believe that some infringement is okay and a lot believe it.

    Then we always hear there will be a so called “Revolution.” Nope there won’t be a so called Revolution. There isn’t a single group of gun lovers that I know that will get to that point where it is worth fighting for a gun. Hell we, yes I said we, are too lazy to even fight the laws that are being proposed. Revolutions happen when people have literally nothing to lose; nothing and I don’t see anyone leaving their cushion lives to fight for our guns.

    So what do y’all think? Is the 2nd amendment on the road to becoming a dying amendment? I just thought I would ask because it just seems a lot of the gun community lives in this false world of reality is in the future.

    Keep in mind I'm not pointing individual fingers but I'm just speaking from what I have observed in the 2A community. Also keep in mind when I say "we" I'm talking about the a lot of the 2A community.

    It is being attacked - and has been for some time. Justice Stevens did us a favor by calling out what the left’s true desire and intention is regarding the 2nd amendment.

    If it comes to knocking in doors for confiscations - I think some people will fight. Post Katrina NOLA showed that most people would not when they came for the guns. I did not think that will happen again without a fight.

    Individuals won’t fight - but groups of people would. It is what happened when the British tried to disarm the colonials - the militia had equal force and technology and they fought back.

    Today, we don’t have equal force or technology - but Viet Nam and guerrilla warfare is a formidable foe that is not easily defeated. What doesn’t exist is organization...militias...guerrilla groups. Could those develop - sure - with some effort.

    However, militias have a bad rep for wanting to overthrow the government and a stigma associated with the name. Can that be overcome? I’m not sure. If you organize, you will become a target like Ruby Ridge or Waco. With the current corruption in the FBI and frankly all federal agencies - they’d love nothing more than to quash any organization with force as a media spectacle for the mindless uninformed masses.


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    I'm wondering where you get the notion people, specifically gun owners on here, aren't fighting.
    There's multiple threads on contacting state and federal legislators. Multiple threads on boycotting buissnesses that choose not to sell types of weapons. Multiple comments decrying Scott, and Trump over bump stocks(that I dare say most of us don't give a rats about). In fact, even the "libtard spy trolls" on here are very much against these proposals, and are very much engaged in doing their fair share of curtailing them.

    What I guess since we didn't all take off work, drive up to D.C. too counter protest at a moments notice we must have given in? Just because the left has louder voices, and the more extreme the volume intensifies, doesn't mean they actually outnumber anyone(except in LA and NY). Don't believe me? Look at the 2016 presidential elections.

    Just because we aren't bragging about our actions doesn't mean we are inactive.
     

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    I'm wondering where you get the notion people, specifically gun owners on here, aren't fighting.
    There's multiple threads on contacting state and federal legislators. Multiple threads on boycotting buissnesses that choose not to sell types of weapons. Multiple comments decrying Scott, and Trump over bump stocks(that I dare say most of us don't give a rats about). In fact, even the "libtard spy trolls" on here are very much against these proposals, and are very much engaged in doing their fair share of curtailing them.

    What I guess since we didn't all take off work, drive up to D.C. too counter protest at a moments notice we must have given in? Just because the left has louder voices, and the more extreme the volume intensifies, doesn't mean they actually outnumber anyone(except in LA and NY). Don't believe me? Look at the 2016 presidential elections.

    Just because we aren't bragging about our actions doesn't mean we are inactive.
    Before taking the post personal please read the ending again.

    "Keep in mind I'm not pointing individual fingers but I'm just speaking from what I have observed in the 2A community. Also keep in mind when I say "we" I'm talking about the a lot of the 2A community."

    I didn't say all or everyone. I just stated what I see on social media, other forums, talking to people in general etc etc. You can't act like there isn't a lot of "I'm in support for the 2a buutttt," people...
     
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    Yep, in 25-40 years,maybe sooner, AMERICA WILL BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY, your gun rights or any other rights will be gone and there will be chaos. Some will be pleased, some will not but the way America is going it will be so. Trump slowed things down but he is being fought by repubs and demorats intent on keeping what they have and taking yours away. Liberalism is the ruin of the USA and with all the illegals and muslims helping them they will eventually destroy us all, that is the evil that is among us... GOD SAVE AMERICA
     
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    It's not that I'm taking this personal, but i can see how you would think that.
    I simply think you're wrong, based on what I see on social media, mainstream media, and my personal interactions with people of all political flavors in real life.
     

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    We need to approach our current problem the way McDonald's did. MacDonald's started our youth on happy meals to get the kids coming back and back again. They learned that when you get to them at an early age they "believe" and support them.

    We need to be working with our youth. We need to emphasize the importance of the Second Amendment and to teach them the proper and safe handling of firearms. They need the experience and pleasure of the shooting sports, hunting, etc. We must build a new generation that is not brainwashed by the liberal media and not get caught of in the current lemming behavior of the current walkouts and marches. If we fail to build another generation that respects firearms as a multi-faceted tool we certainly will eventually lose our Second Amendment.
     

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    I agree that teaching safe responsible gun handling to the next generation is a great way to protect the Second Amendment.
     

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    What I guess since we didn't all take off work, drive up to D.C. too counter protest at a moments notice we must have given in?

    And there's the problem, conservatives have to take off work to protest while most liberals don't because they are unemployed.
     

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    And there's the problem, conservatives have to take off work to protest while most liberals don't because they are unemployed.

    If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. Too many excuses from too many people - they stand united, loud, and firm while we hem and haw around. Adding to that, there are multiple branches of the firearms community and none of them want to work together. Prime example: remember when 7n6 got banned? The community barely made a squeak. "Well, I don't shoot AK74s, so oh well." Then M855 was threatened, and suddenly it was unadulterated rage.

    We don't present a united front, and as such we lose on a regular basis. They're out in full force - time to step up.
     

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    We need to approach our current problem the way McDonald's did. MacDonald's started our youth on happy meals to get the kids coming back and back again. They learned that when you get to them at an early age they "believe" and support them.

    We need to be working with our youth. We need to emphasize the importance of the Second Amendment and to teach them the proper and safe handling of firearms. They need the experience and pleasure of the shooting sports, hunting, etc. We must build a new generation that is not brainwashed by the liberal media and not get caught of in the current lemming behavior of the current walkouts and marches. If we fail to build another generation that respects firearms as a multi-faceted tool we certainly will eventually lose our Second Amendment.

    The problem is schools are taking the 2nd Amendment and any activities that support it out. I grew up in the 70's and 80's in Minnesota and you could take gun safety classes through the school. How many schools do that now I wonder, not near as many as used to.
     

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    I wouldn't say the 2A is dying, but many who believe in it strongly, and understand its true meaning, are.

    Point: The 2A has morphed over time from providing citizens a legal means to resist a tyranical government, into a state-granted priviledge that allows you to have firearms to hunt, target shoot, and maybe defend yourself under government-specified circumstances.

    You talk about resisting with arms today, and someone will drop a red flag on you on grounds you are trying to overthrow the government. Funny, but I suspect those who drafted the 2A didn't see much light between 'resist' and 'overthrow.' You'll never hear/see anyone in government support that logic.

    So how do you teach anyone about what the 2A is really about without both of you ending up on a watch list?

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    I just never understand who is going to come and physically take our guns. The Military won’t....yet, the Natty Guards not, alphabets aren’t, Police officers aren’t, Sheriff’s don’t have the man-power. We may be asked to turn them over, but no boogie man is gonna go door to door taking weapons. Best of luck to them all, but with 55 million armed households in the US, the lives lost aren’t worth the outcome.
     

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    I just never understand who is going to come and physically take our guns. The Military won’t....yet, the Natty Guards not, alphabets aren’t, Police officers aren’t, Sheriff’s don’t have the man-power. We may be asked to turn them over, but no boogie man is gonna go door to door taking weapons. Best of luck to them all, but with 55 million armed households in the US, the lives lost aren’t worth the outcome.

    That's a lot of assumptions. Based on the over-arching assumption that when these various groups are ordered to do the deed, that the 2nd Amendment is still legal protection.

    Eroded far enough, the 2nd Amendment "protections", as we expect them, could become so weak, that these groups could be feasibly given "lawful orders".

    The debate and decision would then fall on the human given the order to determine that despite a technically legal order, it goes against the "spirit" of the 2nd Amendment and is therefore so distasteful that they won't follow it. Hmmm.

    Still wanna bet 100% on those groups now?

    The continued erosion of what should be a steadfast "shall not be infringed" concept is leading us to a forced stand-off. The only question remains: where will that stand-off occur?

    In Congressional debates?
    In the Oval Office?
    In the SCOTUS?
    In the briefing rooms of take-your-pick Government Mil/LEO teams?
    On your front porch?

    If all guns are banned tomorrow, and gun-owners are ordered to turn 'em in, and possession becomes a felony after 30-days, what then? The majority of the firearms will never see a turn-in table. Ok, now what? Sealed/preserved/buried in Jimmy Hoffa's tomb? Never to see a gun range, backyard range, etc again? I guess we could attempt to keep up our skills with BB guns...

    Death by a thousand paper cuts.

    We'll ask where did it all go wrong and how could we have prevented it.
     

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    That's a lot of assumptions. Based on the over-arching assumption that when these various groups are ordered to do the deed, that the 2nd Amendment is still legal protection.

    Eroded far enough, the 2nd Amendment "protections", as we expect them, could become so weak, that these groups could be feasibly given "lawful orders".

    The debate and decision would then fall on the human given the order to determine that despite a technically legal order, it goes against the "spirit" of the 2nd Amendment and is therefore so distasteful that they won't follow it. Hmmm.

    Still wanna bet 100% on those groups now?

    The continued erosion of what should be a steadfast "shall not be infringed" concept is leading us to a forced stand-off. The only question remains: where will that stand-off occur?

    In Congressional debates?
    In the Oval Office?
    In the SCOTUS?
    In the briefing rooms of take-your-pick Government Mil/LEO teams?
    On your front porch?

    If all guns are banned tomorrow, and gun-owners are ordered to turn 'em in, and possession becomes a felony after 30-days, what then? The majority of the firearms will never see a turn-in table. Ok, now what? Sealed/preserved/buried in Jimmy Hoffa's tomb? Never to see a gun range, backyard range, etc again? I guess we could attempt to keep up our skills with BB guns...

    Death by a thousand paper cuts.

    We'll ask where did it all go wrong and how could we have prevented it.



    anyone remember this?

    https://www.teaparty.org/obama-asks-military-leaders-if-they-will-fire-on-us-citizens-19039/

    2009 Nobel Peace Prize nominee Jim Garrow shockingly claims he was told by a top military veteran that the Obama administration’s “litmus test” for new military leaders is whether or not they will obey an order to fire on U.S. citizens.


    obama removed over 200 major officers from command in his 8 years, including forcing Gen Mattis out..

    The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.
    Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine questionnaire out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused to surrender their firearms.

    During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate guns belonging to New Orleans residents.
    As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

    Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.


    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    the aussies, who were descendants of convicts, gave their guns up in a "buyback" program, never thought that would have happened, but it did.


    hitler took guns away under the guise of public safety, then WW2 started, why do people today think these things could not happen again?

    i trust the govt about as far as i could throw michael moore..
     
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    "Trump took guns away, with republican support, under the guise of public safety, then WW3 started, why do people today think these things could not happen again?"

    That seems a bit more appropriate for the times.

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    John B.

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    The problem is schools are taking the 2nd Amendment and any activities that support it out. I grew up in the 70's and 80's in Minnesota and you could take gun safety classes through the school. How many schools do that now I wonder, not near as many as used to.
    I remember being in middle school, when Woodlawn beach middle first opened up (2001 or so) and being sent home for wearing a remington shirt that had a shotgun on it (duck hunting scene on the back)

    The public schools are openly at war with anything involving guns.

    Honestly, I bet you could get a shirt with the 2A script on it, and a musket, and your kid would be sent home. (At which point, I think I'd contact fox news) but yeah, anything gun related the schools are against.

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