MAXman said:

It's not that I'm taking this personal, but i can see how you would think that.
I simply think you're wrong, based on what I see on social media, mainstream media, and my personal interactions with people of all political flavors in real life.

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Lets hope I am wrong but judging how many gun laws have been passed in the last 84 years, and the momentum of that direction isn't slowly letting up, it's looking like the opposite. The fact that we all believe that it isn't seems like a false reality.

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I just never understand who is going to come and physically take our guns. The Military won’t....yet, the Natty Guards not, alphabets aren’t, Police officers aren’t, Sheriff’s don’t have the man-power. We may be asked to turn them over, but no boogie man is gonna go door to door taking weapons. Best of luck to them all, but with 55 million armed households in the US, the lives lost aren’t worth the outcome.

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I don't see them physically coming to take them and frankly I don't understand why so many people think it will happen like that, even though the National Guard did do that during Katrina. But this is how I see it, over the course of years they will keep passing laws like the last 84 years. It will get to a point where the guns we currently have you can't "legally" use. Once you are caught using them whether it is recreational, hunting, self defense etc you will be arrested. Once you are "legally" arrested thats when your stuff would be taken. That's how I see it, I mean logically a smart person wouldn't physically go after them one by one, door by door.

All it is is the fact of conditioning the public just like we have been conditioned to carry a carry permit, run a background check, passing of age restrictions, mag restrictions, open carry restrictions, applying for suppressor/silencers, etc etc. Once the public is conditioned well them it will be easier for them.

"i trust the govt about as far as i could throw michael moore.. " Wow Caveman-----are you that STRONG!!!!

Interesting to note that back in the late 60's - early 70's when I went to school it was not unusual to see shotguns and deer rifles in the gun rack of a pickup truck. The vehicles were usually unlocked and I never heard of any guns stolen. Then Dr. Spoke came along and it was no longer ok to discipline your child and God forbid you showed him a gun. As more and more people came to believe his foolishness it became the norm so now you cannot spank your child without running a risk of someone reporting you to the State. It is time to end this madness.

Because of the above I do believe the Second Amendment is under attack. It is not a direct attack but rather a slow, calculated one. Remember the old "two steps forward, one step back"? You still made progress.

We need to prepare not by thumping our chest on gun boards that are monitored by certain federal agencies but by a one-on-one approach to meet and organize. Not as militias but as concerned citizens for the direction out country is heading. Remember the nail that stands up gets pounded down so words like "come and take em", "from my cold dead hands" etc. are just a gauntlet thrown down to those certain agencies.

We do however need to continue to voice our opinions in a respectful way to our elected officials and let them know our positions. When one of them votes contrary to the way we feel we need to get politically active to defeat them and get someone else in that position who is more in line with our beliefs.

Sorry for the book but I believe some folks are just making themselves targets and will be used as an example by the administration.....this includes both federal and state.

Idoono

In an effort to not be a keyboard warrior, only time will tell. But I swore to defend the Constitution, as it was written. When the amendment amending the 2nd is produced, it will go against the Bill of Rights. Shall Not Be Infringed. As a true American, I pray for diplomacy. But when, and if, that fails, we shall see.

Generally I agree with much of what is said, but then I look at voter turnout and think, people are talking but they are not fighting back. We elect the same incompetent politicians over and over to represent us but instead they only represent themselves or their party. Every once in a while we actually get a person running for office who actually believes in our Constitution and wants to force our country to follow it, but there are far too few of them. We need real grass roots candidates that actually represent us and we need to get out and vote at every election, not just for Presidential elections. Voter turnout is key. Talk is necessary, but talk doesn't get the right people elected, votes do.

Keeping in mind the most drastic law, the AWB of 94 was allowed to sunset in 2004. Illinois has a means to conceal carry now, and others have passed means in then last 10 years.
HK has set up shop in the us, as has block and Walther. We have more 1911 and AR makers than we can list, both can be found for under 400 new(not to mention 80%).
The hearing act was a pipe dream, those clowns can't even pass a budget much less what they campaigned on, so stampless silencers?
21 too purchase and bump stocks are the hits. We win some here, loose some there. But firearms and shooting sports, defense, collectors today are far better off than they have been in the last two decades.

By no means lay down or let up. But chibooey is right; we need to focus on our elected officials. BTW, Alabama and Pennsylvania have both elected Democrats that say they wont entertain gun legislation, while Scott and Trump are trying to make bump stocks a felony.

chibooey said:

Generally I agree with much of what is said, but then I look at voter turnout and think, people are talking but they are not fighting back. We elect the same incompetent politicians over and over to represent us but instead they only represent themselves or their party. Every once in a while we actually get a person running for office who actually believes in our Constitution and wants to force our country to follow it, but there are far too few of them. We need real grass roots candidates that actually represent us and we need to get out and vote at every election, not just for Presidential elections. Voter turnout is key. Talk is necessary, but talk doesn't get the right people elected, votes do.

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I certainly agree we need better. The major problem I see with politics is money and how it influences the entire process. When it comes to elections, we are presented with options that can afford to do nothing but out-campaign/advertise the others. 99% of these people do not "work" for a living. Does not present the best candidate, IMO, and more times than not, offers up the best of the worst.

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A couple of things I see. One good; one bad. The good. Current "spokesman" for gun control is the foul mouthed junior would-be stalinist David Hogg. This punk is a POS who can't even get accepted for entry to a major university. He will flame out and hopefully with him the current round of attacks on 2A.

Now the bad news. We are looking at a prohibition on bump stocks. OK, this isn't a surprise, but the manner of its proposed implementation is most worrisome. Australia did a confiscation with compensation. If this bumpstock rule goes into effect, it will require you to just destroy or turn in your bumpstock to the government. The money you spent is your tough luck. And that is possibly the most dangerous precedent of all. My gun safe is fairly modest compared to many, with 2 rifles, a 20-gauge, and six pistols, none of which are high dollar...most expensive would be my Colt XSE--a bargain compared to many of my acquaintances' gun inventories. Once it becomes acceptable for the federal government to outlaw and require turn in or destruction with no compensation for the loss, then it is very easy to, one by one, outlaw each of our guns. And the early post here was probably right. Most of us, being law abiding citizens, will grudgingly comply. I might lose, maybe $3-4,000 in guns and a couple thousand in ammo, but I have friends with tens of thousands of dollars in guns, some collectibles, some just expensive precision shooting rifles.

What then? Remember that in the 20th century, 39 million people died in wars, but 169 million died at the hands of their own governments, and all those had guns confiscated first. Once we have turned in our guns, the socialists will be free to do as they please. Right now, they mostly hate people who have put away a comfortable savings through IRA's, 401(k) plans and such. As they expand the list of those eligible to take money we paid into Social Security and Medicare (fake disabled, illegal aliens and their parents), those funds will go bust. They'll first take away our Social Security and Medicare benefits, since we have the means to care for ourselves. Then they'll start surtaxing our IRA withdrawals and taxing our Roth IRA's. Remember, socialism can continue and thrive so long as the socialists can take money from other people. And especially when those other people are defenseless. They did it to the Jews in Germany, and they can do it to us, once we, like the Jews in Germany, have been disarmed.

We must vote out Democrats and RINOs. Now.

Would you turn in your bumpstock? Guns. suppressors, mags? ammo? Destroy them yourself? Don't answer as this is a public forum

FrankT said:

Would you turn in your bumpstock? Guns. suppressors, mags? ammo? Destroy them yourself? Don't answer as this is a public forum

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Never had a bumpstock. Never had a supressor. What guns? What mags? What ammo?

I lost everything in a boating accident not long ago.

Wonder if that no cost ArmsCare Insurance the NRA offers to its members would cover an accessory such as a bumpstock if it was accidentally destroyed... before it became a prohibited item of course.

Repeal the 2A? There are several parallels that can be drawn from the history (before and during) the 18th Ammendment "Prohibition" and after its Repeal with the 21st Ammendment.
Who pushed it? Women and Churches
Why? To reduce: crime, violence, disease, industrial accidents and stregthen family moral fitness.
It lied! The general public and Mfgs took the wording "Intoxicating Liquors" literally and were shocked and suprised to the point of disbelief when the actual Law included beer and wine with only a small exemption for religious/medical use. Bait and Switch!

There was a rise in mass civil disobedience of the Law in spite of minor improvements in the first two years: It FAILED. Prisons and Courts overflowed to a point that only minor fines were levied in most common cases. Organized Crime flourish with alcohol, expanding into gambling, prostitution and ultimately into narcotics. These events brought territorial gang on gang violence that also severely impacted civilian bystanders.

The 21 Ammendment Repealed Prohibition in 1933 and though Syndicate gangs lost a lot of alcohol profitability, they continued their other enterprises. With the cotinued violence of the prevoius 13 years, there was a push for gun control and this is why the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed.

I don't think Wiki is the ultimate authority on anything but they do provide a lot of consolidated and interesting details.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Actually, the more I look at it the whole Constitution seems to be under attack.

MauserLarry said:

Actually, the more I look at it the whole Constitution seems to be under attack.

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they have a socialist constitution all ready to present, I guarantee.


liberals think they are so much better that the flyover folks, cause they so accepting and open and educated.


2 of 10 could change a tire, maybe..

fl57caveman said:

they have a socialist constitution all ready to present, I guarantee.


liberals think they are so much better that the flyover folks, cause they so accepting and open and educated.


2 of 10 could change a tire, maybe..

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And yet they are kicking our asses and taking inch after inch after inch and playing the long game, while we sit here and decide which inch we can do without and give to them next time.

This time it was bumpstocks. We had members of this forum saying "who needs a bumpstock" or "maybe they'll be quiet for a while after they get the bumpstocks".

So what's next? What are we going to give them next?

The reason we are losing is because the most extreme thing any of us are willing to do is simply deny having any guns.

That's not going to work forever.

MauserLarry said:

Actually, the more I look at it the whole Constitution seems to be under attack.

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There's a lot of truth in what you say. If the second amendment is continually eroded to the point it is useless, there goes your means of protecting all your other rights.

IMO, the second amendment should have been first on the bill of rights as a means of protecting all the others. One thing we have to do is make this about the constitution and the law, with no infringement. There have been decades of out right infringement brought on by liberal interpretations of what the second amendment mean then vs. now. It still means the same thing, and all that interpretation needs to be rolled back.

JBryan314 said:

The reason we are losing is because the most extreme thing any of us are willing to do is simply deny having any guns.

That's not going to work forever.

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I get ya Bro. I'm spending an extreme amount of extra money each month by not shopping at Walmart. It isn't easy on my income. I am the sole bread-winner and my entire family is willing to give up what could be fun money to not put money in the hands of Walmart/anti-gunners.

I've also let my republican/conservative elected officials know that unless I see them visibly and vocally standing up for law-abiding gun owners, I will be writing in "Second Amendment" vs voting for them. You could say that's voting for the other side if ya want, but if I can't find a suitable candidate, I'll let 'em know how important the second amendment is to me. How comical would it be for republicans to lose to "Second Amendment?" If that's not a reason for them to get off their ^&*es, I don't know what is. But that's just me, just one guy, just one voter.