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    Wait . . . STOP . . . training from the sheriff's dept. NOPE !!! ---- SAWMAN
    ADDED: There are plenty of people that know more about shooting than me. I want to be trained by one of them . . . PLEASE !!
     
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    Arming teachers is a bad idea I believe. In every school there are plenty of thug/criminal kids and it wouldn't be long before a few of them got together and jumped an armed teacher and took that weapon. It's just not a good idea.
     

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    Arming teachers is a bad idea I believe. In every school there are plenty of thug/criminal kids and it wouldn't be long before a few of them got together and jumped an armed teacher and took that weapon. It's just not a good idea.
    How often does that happen in the states that allow teachers to carry at school currently?
    Do you feel that law enforcement shouldn't be armed either, for that reason?

    There's a difference between arming teachers and allowing them to be armed. I'm for the latter. I think most sane and reasonable people are also.
     

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    How often does that happen in the states that allow teachers to carry at school currently?
    Do you feel that law enforcement shouldn't be armed either, for that reason?

    There's a difference between arming teachers and allowing them to be armed. I'm for the latter. I think most sane and reasonable people are also.

    With no training standard? Jays gun shop's CC course required the firing of one single bullet. Thats it. It didn't even have to hit paper. Does this seem wise?
     

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    So it's okay for everyone else with a permit to carry everywhere else, but teachers have to be held to a higher standard?
    State licensed armed security, that btw I happen to know carry at not only court houses but also children's wards of hospitals, don't get 50,000$ worth of training.

    If you wanna argue that state statute and requirements for ccw license are too low, fine. But that's a different topic than not having any provision to allow a teacher the option to be armed.
     

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    Teachers have precious cargo :)

    AKA inadvertent backstops.

    But yea, when I got my Nevada CC? You had to go down to the LVMPD and qualify. On their range. With their target. On their schedule. With a single gun. And you had to score a certain score.

    Then I got to Florida, and they're all like, "Oh, you had a hunter's safety course once when you were 16? Good to go, lock and load".
     

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    How often does that happen in the states that allow teachers to carry at school currently?
    Do you feel that law enforcement shouldn't be armed either, for that reason?

    There's a difference between arming teachers and allowing them to be armed. I'm for the latter. I think most sane and reasonable people are also.

    No I don't feel that law enforcement shouldn't be armed. Where in the world did you get such a foolish idea? I've worked in the school system here in Milton and I can tell you that there is a LARGE contingent of students that would be more than glad to jump a teacher and take a gun.
     

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    No I don't feel that law enforcement shouldn't be armed. Where in the world did you get such a foolish idea? I've worked in the school system here in Milton and I can tell you that there is a LARGE contingent of students that would be more than glad to jump a teacher and take a gun.

    I was drawing the comparison because cops do get jumped, all the time, in addition to people trying to snatch their weapons. That's why I worded it as a question, not an accusation, I assume like the overwhelming majority of society you see and agree with why law enforcement is armed. I suppose I could just argue that teachers would just require a level 2 retention holster, or that it must remain concealed at all time(which, since I'm not asking to force teachers to carry uzis, but just that their permits allow them to carry at work, and that's what the majority of those with permits rely on to keep from getting their weapons snatched), or even both....

    Teachers have precious cargo :)

    AKA inadvertent backstops.

    But yea, when I got my Nevada CC? You had to go down to the LVMPD and qualify. On their range. With their target. On their schedule. With a single gun. And you had to score a certain score.

    Then I got to Florida, and they're all like, "Oh, you had a hunter's safety course once when you were 16? Good to go, lock and load".

    Oh no, actually I used my dd214. I didn't even take a hunters safety course. Now, i personally hold myself to a standard so I read the statute a couple times and make sure I could hit what I aim at because I don't need to be in a first grade class to have 6 year olds as a backstop. Because schools aren't the only place precious cargo is present, even in high concentration. It's just the only place that people seem to care that they are.
    The qualify on every pistol you intend to carry part would get old though.
     

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    I was drawing the comparison because cops do get jumped, all the time, in addition to people trying to snatch their weapons. That's why I worded it as a question, not an accusation, I assume like the overwhelming majority of society you see and agree with why law enforcement is armed. I suppose I could just argue that teachers would just require a level 2 retention holster, or that it must remain concealed at all time(which, since I'm not asking to force teachers to carry uzis, but just that their permits allow them to carry at work, and that's what the majority of those with permits rely on to keep from getting their weapons snatched), or even both....



    Oh no, actually I used my dd214. I didn't even take a hunters safety course. Now, i personally hold myself to a standard so I read the statute a couple times and make sure I could hit what I aim at because I don't need to be in a first grade class to have 6 year olds as a backstop. Because schools aren't the only place precious cargo is present, even in high concentration. It's just the only place that people seem to care that they are.
    The qualify on every pistol you intend to carry part would get old though.

    But not everybody has not, nor will hold themselves to the same standard that you do. (I know you. You're a professional. ) How do we account for that?
     

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    But not everybody has not, nor will hold themselves to the same standard that you do. (I know you. You're a professional. ) How do we account for that?

    Without legislating everything? Probably no way. Thanks, but professionalism was metaphorically and literally beat into me, and I've seen first hand what clown shoes in deadly situations can result in.

    We could try having teachers(or for that matter everyone who wants a permit,) to attend class d and g courses. Those, the carry permit, and the whole carry rig should run about a grand. It's not perfect, but I think it's reasonable. And I think plenty of teachers would be willing to go through that(or maybe none idk). Wild riders link where sheriffs are deputizing volunteers themselves is interesting, I think that's a real good idea since it's a local solution. If Miami dade hates the concept that's fine, doesn't affect okaloosa at all.
    But I know that the people who's job it is to think, consult specialists, and work on this issue came up with resource officers and banning bump stocks. I feel us forum members are doing a better job for free.
     

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    Arming teachers is a bad idea I believe. In every school there are plenty of thug/criminal kids and it wouldn't be long before a few of them got together and jumped an armed teacher and took that weapon. It's just not a good idea.

    That's why they call it CONCEALED carry. The goal is to have volunteers come forward and get good training on how to handle a firearm and the situations they might run into. Keeping the weapons concealed would mean the students would have no idea which teachers are carrying if it's done right.
     

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    We could try having teachers(or for that matter everyone who wants a permit,) to attend class d and g courses. Those, the carry permit, and the whole carry rig should run about a grand.

    The Government never does anything that simply.

    Florida lawmakers approve bill to arm teachers

    The Florida House Appropriations Committee approved a bill Tuesday to implement measures to prevent future school shootings, including a $67 million program to train teachers to carry guns.

    The Tampa Bay Times reported that the Republican-controlled committee voted along party lines to approve a “school marshal” program. The bill proposes putting 10 teachers trained to carry a gun in every school. The state's Senate Appropriations Committee passed a similar bill on Tuesday.

    The state would reportedly cover the costs of background checks, drug testing, psychological exams and 132 hours of training, but doesn’t address whether teachers would have to buy a gun for themselves.

    The bill also includes provisions that impose a three-day waiting period for gun purchases in the state, raises the age requirement to buy a gun from 18 to 21 and calls for $400 million to improve school security.
     

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    Have read what every one has to say and all have a good point, but having trained a lot of teachers, Got a call a while back form a Principal of a school and wanted to set up a class. Ended up with 20 , got some more inst. to help, and set up a class just for them, I also learned a lot about the mine set of the teachers. Believe me they where in to learning , Set up the class just to fit they place of work. Class room protection, and personal protection, using things that were readily on hand. up to use of a hand gun. Some learn that it was not for them and some wanted to learn more. Some was very good. these I would train. Every one does not have the warrior mine set. These are the ones you would want to weed out, this can only be done with inst. one that is willing to say no, and some standers set in place. So with this being said, who is first on scène, yes arm some teachers.. They portably get more training than most LEO. Because it will be on they home ground. Just my 5 cents jj
     

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    “The state would reportedly cover the costs of background checks, drug testing, psychological exams and 132 hours of training, but doesn’t address whether teachers would have to buy a gun for themselves. “

    If the teachers don’t already own a gun, they probably aren’t suitable for this program.
    We want people that are already gun enthusiasts and know how to shoot.
     

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