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The infamous proposed Florida AWB
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if the law is to be changed, congress should change it, that is how we were designed...
I am not a legal expert, who knows?
but florida loves referendums...but remember, florida gains about 900 people a day, mostly from the n.e., mostly liberal Yankees who hate guns...who would vote against AR/AK any day of the week.
or at least, hate us southerners with guns
if it would save only one child,..we should ban hammers now
wildrider666
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I think we can presume that Members here are adequately informed and are capable of a responsible voting. The "clueless politicians" probably have a better understanding of the Bill (hopefully they read and at least discussed it) where the general public relies on emotion and sound bites from their chosen media source and even though the Bill would be available in advance and at the Poll: there is a high probability it won't be read nor understood by non firearm literate people. They will see Ban evil firearms and stuff □ Yes. □No. There will be no comprehension of the depth of infringement it contains.
Some people may think I'm not giving people enough credit. Generally people don't know the difference between a commercial AR15 and a machinegun because the gungrabbers and the majority of the media tell them its the same thing and gloss over it with the physically threatening term "Assault Weapon". I might actually be giving them too much credit, thinking they would go to the Poll and vote.
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It's sort of amazing how these people are fleeing these liberal run hell holes only to come here and try to make it one too. It's kind of like our Islamic "pals". They leave their God forsaken countries and come here and want to make us like their country.
Zeroed in
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If this were the case, then we'd not have a problem, now would we. But since it isn't the case, it needs to be voted on for any changes. Look at your elected officials voting, the NO's. They are the Followers, certainly not the Leaders. I say again, remove the crazies from obtaining firearms, and we will be closer to a resolution in such matters.
JBryan314
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I could have sworn I talked about this in another thread. Maybe that was somewhere else.
The bill was drafted late last year and introduced early this year, was assigned to three house committees. None of the committee chairmen scheduled it for a hearing. That basically means they didn't ever intend to. After this school shooting, a democrat called a vote to pull the bill out of the committees and place it on the floor to be voted on immdediately. They voted "no" on giving it a vote. So it went back to the committees for the hearing process, which it still isn't scheduled for.
The bill is effectively dead for the year.
The bill was drafted late last year and introduced early this year, was assigned to three house committees. None of the committee chairmen scheduled it for a hearing. That basically means they didn't ever intend to. After this school shooting, a democrat called a vote to pull the bill out of the committees and place it on the floor to be voted on immdediately. They voted "no" on giving it a vote. So it went back to the committees for the hearing process, which it still isn't scheduled for.
The bill is effectively dead for the year.
JBryan314
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No, we are not a democracy and have never been one. We are a constitutional republic. The majority doesn't rule, and it's never supposed to have been that way. A republic has a parliamentary system with rules. Those rules in Florida dictate that a bill introduced by sponsors be debated and polished in a committee. There are lots of bills that are not fit to see the floor of the People's representatives.
Idoono
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I laughed when I seen that the Mini-14 with a folding stock would be outlawed. So if you have one without a folding stock it would be ok? Yeah these idiots do not even know what they are proposing.....kinda like O'dumbo-care.
Idoono
Idoono
wildrider666
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Would some legal beagle or english major review to Bills AW definition as copied/pasted below.
Q: "means selective-fire firearm.....at the option of the user". Selective-fire as in more then one firing mode? A semiautomatic does not have other firing "options".
Q: "fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user"... Collective or individually?
My interpretation of the above portion means MICHINEGUN and nothing else. It could also be argued that SEMIautomatic is a user firing option from SAFE.
Q: The split between user with "or" any of the following specified..... Does this define every firearm with action modes listed before it are AWs then "or" adds "any of the following specified"
My interpretation of this is MACHINEGUNS and whatever they list.
The Devil is always in the details! I know its back to stagnation status but it will come back again. If it ever passes and is challenged in the Courts these subtitles will be used to define it.
790.30 Assault weapons.—
(1) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section, the term:
(a)1. "Assault weapon" means any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified
Q: "means selective-fire firearm.....at the option of the user". Selective-fire as in more then one firing mode? A semiautomatic does not have other firing "options".
Q: "fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user"... Collective or individually?
My interpretation of the above portion means MICHINEGUN and nothing else. It could also be argued that SEMIautomatic is a user firing option from SAFE.
Q: The split between user with "or" any of the following specified..... Does this define every firearm with action modes listed before it are AWs then "or" adds "any of the following specified"
My interpretation of this is MACHINEGUNS and whatever they list.
The Devil is always in the details! I know its back to stagnation status but it will come back again. If it ever passes and is challenged in the Courts these subtitles will be used to define it.
790.30 Assault weapons.—
(1) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section, the term:
(a)1. "Assault weapon" means any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified
I have no guns at all, except for one old flintlock smoothbore and a horn of powder with 20 balls...
I am covered....1776 assault rifle....
but I will not give it up without expending my ammo...
that will take about an hour maybe, clouds of smoke will hide my tracks...
I am covered....1776 assault rifle....
but I will not give it up without expending my ammo...
that will take about an hour maybe, clouds of smoke will hide my tracks...
Josh Sugarmann, founder of the Violence Policy Center, was supposedly behind pushing the misleading "Assault Weapon" moniker.
http://rkba.org/antis/sugarman.assault-weapon.txt
MauserLarry
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"He maintains a Class One Federal Firearms License in Washington, DC, which makes it legal for him to transfer and handle firearms." Hmm, this came from Wikipedia about the boy. Think he might be two faced?
Having moved to the Pace area within the last year I would like to know if there is an active group that monitors firearm related legislative proposals in the state. I moved here from a state where we really had to band together to stop the politicians from sneaking through laws that negatively affected gun owners. We usually had sufficient time to contact our state Senators and Representatives and express our concerns and we were able to keep the misguided laws to a minimum. I will say, that the NRA lobbyist in the state was instrumental in getting various groups organized and helped fight a lot of these misguided proposals, but I don't know how active the NRA is here in Florida.
I found a couple of on line groups that claim they do what I am looking for, but their web pages either don't appear to be very active or look more like a scam site.
Bottom line, the anti-gunners are really pushing right now and I would like to add my support to help in stopping them.
I found a couple of on line groups that claim they do what I am looking for, but their web pages either don't appear to be very active or look more like a scam site.
Bottom line, the anti-gunners are really pushing right now and I would like to add my support to help in stopping them.
