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  • Droshki

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    Honestly, it looks like the NRA has been pretty busy with other things lately.

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    The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.

    FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.

    It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections.
     

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    Here you go back on point: A prominent GOP donor has threated to cut off support for the party unless further gun restrictions are passed.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...atum-on-assault-weapons/ar-BBJg5E7?li=BBnb7Kz

    Yea, I saw that one as well. It funny how things like this seem to go unnoticed-- prominent members of their own party coming out against certain types of firearms.

    Al Hoffman Jr., a Florida-based real estate developer who was a leading fund-raiser for George W. Bush’s campaigns, said he would seek to marshal support among other Republican political donors for a renewed assault weapons ban.

    “I will not write another check unless they all support a ban on assault weapons,” he wrote. “Enough is enough!”
     

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    I while back I criticized the NRA, this predictable response to this shooting is another example of NRA's reactive rather than proactive nature. School shootings are going to keep happening in this country. That is a sad but undeniable truth. The knee jerk response to a school shooting is the blame to tool used rather than the shooter or the security flaws that allowed the shooting to happen or the LEO failures that did not timely identify the shooter so that he could be stopped.

    Then NRA needs to get ahead of this. It needs to provide courses for schools regarding security, it should sponsor bills that will require schools to have addtitional armed security in the school. It needs to sponsor bills that will increase spending on identifying and helping individuals who have anti-social emotional or mental problems. I am sure that there are other things that could be done.


    ok..


    here's how those ph calls might go.



    SCHOOL; hello , nra? could you set up eddie eagle gun safety programs again in our school district, and send colin noir and dana loesch down to speak, along with ben shapiro and ann coulter and maybe ben carson, to speak on the breakdown in family structure and degradation of values by liberals over the years?


    NRA; can you put up the 5 million dollars for security so the little snowflake non-violent students don't get triggered, turn violent, kill them all and burn the community down, including the school?

    SCHOOL: no, we don't have the funds

    NRA: click, bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    no Jeb,

    we have plenty of tools and laws to effect change, we have not the will to use them.

    my high school's security resource officer was a softspoken 7th degree black belt in karate, not armed, and everyone knew not to mess with him...because he would break you up..and the school would have backed him up


    now, students bow up face to face with teachers, assault them, and nothing is done, records sealed, move along folks, nothing to see there...nothing to can be done to them by school authorities,

    because they do not want to make changes, they have the schools firmly modeled after their socialist utopia they have pictured in their minds...
     

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    Actually this is how its going:

    School safety money would be slashed in Trump budget

    Two days before the school shooting in Florida that left 17 dead, the Trump administration proposed cutting millions in federal education programs meant to help prevent crime in schools and assist them in recovery from tragedies.

    Funds targeted for reduction or elimination in the Trump administration's fiscal 2019 request have helped pay for counselors in schools and violence prevention programs.

    The budget request calls for a $25 million reduction in funds designated for national school safety activities, compared with 2017. President Donald Trump's budget would eliminate altogether a $400 million grant program that districts can use, for example, to prevent bullying or provide mental health assistance.
     

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    Actually this is how its going:

    School safety money would be slashed in Trump budget

    Two days before the school shooting in Florida that left 17 dead, the Trump administration proposed cutting millions in federal education programs meant to help prevent crime in schools and assist them in recovery from tragedies.

    Funds targeted for reduction or elimination in the Trump administration's fiscal 2019 request have helped pay for counselors in schools and violence prevention programs.

    The budget request calls for a $25 million reduction in funds designated for national school safety activities, compared with 2017. President Donald Trump's budget would eliminate altogether a $400 million grant program that districts can use, for example, to prevent bullying or provide mental health assistance.




    you are proving my point, everyone wants big daddy govt to do what the family, community, and churches used to do, before the govt began trying to take their place...and take authority away from the family.


    pass a law mandating spankings in the home would be more effective.
    or public executions of convicted murderers.
     

    Snake-Eyes

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    Wow. Where to begin:

    1) The political donor cry-baby is a perfect example of what is considered acceptable behavior right now. "I'm gonna threaten to NOT Pay you MONEY if you don't do as I say". Ummm, instead of media treating that as a blatant attempt to BRIBE politicians, they jump on his bandwagon because they Agree with what he Wants. SLANTED Media, anyone?

    2) The rally's where recently traumatized kids are put behind a podium to trash talk the President of the United States and subsequently lead a crowd of "adults" to chant political views... Really? The parents thought it was acceptable to let the angry child go speak/yell at the POTUS in front of a crowd for the world to see and record for posterity. So one day, when she is looking for a job or whatever, that emotionally charged diatribe is captured forever for her to defend/explain. And the people in the crowd, and the teachers, etc, thought it best to chant and yell and fuel the misdirected hate? Hmmm...

    3) The proposed budget cuts that "impact school programs"... if they're cutting MILLIONS, how much is left? How was it previously used or misused? The article/web link even says the money was for a pool/fund that "COULD HAVE" been used for stuff like counselors/etc but it doesn't say what it actually DID get used for. Perhaps there was fluff and inefficiency, so some of it was trimmed? Regardless, even if the argument is made that 100% of the money went to counselors and safety-day and whatever: how effective were those programs in the last number of years? Seems like people just want to throw money at a problem and try to take the seemingly easy road (ban guns! Hire counselors! Create safe-spaces!) instead of tackling the underlying issues of piss-poor parent involvement and schools being too scared to actually affect positive changes.

    4) The Trump/Russia/FBI/shooter-tips link? Politics. Smoke and mirrors to distract people. If the FBI had done this differently, and they focused on this kid, what would people want for them to do? Send a special agent to stake-out his house everyday? Follow him? Bring him in for questioning to put the fear of Hell in him? Preemptively arrest him like they did to that kid whose grandmother turned him in? What is the actual "acceptable response" that people are chanting for? What are you comfortable with? How far is too far?

    Too many "reactive" responses. Where are the proactive options? The issue is the parent/child/society/respect relationship. It's eroding. No gun-ban or school bandaid-bombshell briefing is going to fix that.
     

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    this:

    The issue is the parent/child/society/respect relationship. It's eroding. No gun-ban or school bandaid-bombshell briefing is going to fix that.

    this would have never been tolerated in my day, now a common occurrence everyday in schools


     

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    Well, his birth parents gave him up for adoption, his adoptive parents both died, and the school expelled him. Not much left in that bucket.
     

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    Really? Illegal aliens don't use fake/stolen IDs? Illegal aliens vote in U.S. elections and obame encouraged them to do so! Every illegal aliens has violated a Federal Law, you understand that simple fact right? Lets see the big picture on what the Gov says and you decide where the worse impact is. Its all criminal activity yet you want to pick and chose what you want enforced and what you want to ignore.

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

    illegal aliens are not agents of a rival foreign power (you do remember the Cold War correct?) who have come here, stolen American ID and set up a state run espionage operation designed to sabotage our election. Are you truly not able to see the difference?
     
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    mexican illegal aliens are agents of mexico. They encourage them to come here and send money back and transport their drugs here and drug money back...much worse than the russians are doing for obama and hitlary
     

    Droshki

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    mexican illegal aliens are agents of mexico. They encourage them to come here and send money back and transport their drugs here and drug money back...much worse than the russians are doing for obama and hitlary

    Ah I see. If only your political party was in power, holding a majority in both houses of congress and the presidency. They could investigate, and then they could convene a grand jury, and prosecu... wait, wait, what? wait a minute. Your political party IS in power. Why dont they act on this?
     

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    ok..


    here's how those ph calls might go.



    SCHOOL; hello , nra? could you set up eddie eagle gun safety programs again in our school district, and send colin noir and dana loesch down to speak, along with ben shapiro and ann coulter and maybe ben carson, to speak on the breakdown in family structure and degradation of values by liberals over the years?


    NRA; can you put up the 5 million dollars for security so the little snowflake non-violent students don't get triggered, turn violent, kill them all and burn the community down, including the school?

    SCHOOL: no, we don't have the funds

    NRA: click, bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    no Jeb,

    we have plenty of tools and laws to effect change, we have not the will to use them.

    my high school's security resource officer was a softspoken 7th degree black belt in karate, not armed, and everyone knew not to mess with him...because he would break you up..and the school would have backed him up


    now, students bow up face to face with teachers, assault them, and nothing is done, records sealed, move along folks, nothing to see there...nothing to can be done to them by school authorities,

    because they do not want to make changes, they have the schools firmly modeled after their socialist utopia they have pictured in their minds...

    Ok good point. Maybe do some video interview of folks who have used firearms to save their lives. Just post it on youtube maybe run a few on TV but most people do not realize just how often good guy civilians use firearms for self defense every single day.
     

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    act on what? they are already working on it to make it law not like obama by dictatorship. the dems are stalling everything because they are wrong and know it
     

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    Really? Illegal aliens don't use fake/stolen IDs? Illegal aliens vote in U.S. elections and obame encouraged them to do so! Every illegal aliens has violated a Federal Law, you understand that simple fact right? Lets see the big picture on what the Gov says and you decide where the worse impact is. Its all criminal activity yet you want to pick and chose what you want enforced and what you want to ignore.

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

    I know that you are just being stubborn on this but here we go again. Illegals are not part of a scheme planned and funded by a foreign nation wtih the stated objection of bringing down our electoral process. Illegals are not trained espionage agents employed by a foreign power.

    You get all of that, correct. You also get that you are for some reason supporting the actions of a country that we have been hostile with the US, for the most part, since 1946. The same country now that used Russian mercenaries to attack American occupied based in Syria. The same country that has it military fighter pilot fly dangers close to our airplanes on a regular basis. The same country that seems determined to reestablish the USSR.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/08/us-jets-bomb-pro-regime-forces-in-syria-killing-100.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...k-in-syria-in-self-defense-officials-say.html

    The latest U.S. airstrike came less than a week after a massive strike killed 100 "pro-regime" forces, including what defense officials told Fox News were Russian contractors.

    To summary the russians attacked a military base used by US SF despite being told ahead of time by the US that our troops were at the base. We were then forced to respond with airstrikes that kill 100 Russian "military contractors"
     

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    YAWN, jeb you and other liberals are boring, beating dead horses and raising false flags, you really need to take a break and read something other than left wig drivel!
     

    Jeb21

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    YAWN, jeb you and other liberals are boring, beating dead horses and raising false flags, you really need to take a break and read something other than left wig drivel!

    Lol. You realize that the two links I posted were from Fox, right?
     

    latch

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    Lol. You realize that the two links I posted were from Fox, right?

    You realize nobody really reads the links you post, right?
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