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  • FrankT

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    As for Trump, I have no respect for the man and I am horrified about what he has done to degrade the office of the President. He consistently lies, without any consequences. He will show no more respect for his oath of office than he has shown for his three marriage vows.

    As for compromising - there is no give on either side of this argument. I have yet to read a single comment by the others on this forum changing their position by even a little. In fact, when the facts are against my opponents they simply resort to old tactic of shooting the messenger.

    PS congrats on your 1000th post

    See I think Trump has UPgraded the office especially from a traitor like obama . You only call it lies but what he says is the truth, like yes folks he WAS wiretapped...
     

    FrankT

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    not sure if this is real,I a,sure our liberal members will check it out. No matter what he is purported to have said is RIGHT ON

    LIKE IT OR NOT. THIS MAN PUT HIS NAME AND PICTURE TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
    ONE HELL OF A LETTER! Read This And Get Educated (He leaves no doubt how he feels...rather refreshing really)

    by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired)
    Interesting Google Search on His Name
    http://www.truthorfiction. com/George-roof-presidents- ive-known/

    Because I am a “lifer” in the military, I’ve seen the impact of a president more than many of you can imagine. I enlisted with LBJ and saw just what a Democrat clusterflock was all about. I went to Vietnam and saw how we were constantly and incessantly bombarded with micromanagement from Washington that got thousands of military people killed. I sometimes wonder if I’ll get to heaven, but if I go to hell, I’m sure I’ll still be a few hundred floors above that bastard Robert McNamara , LB Johnson, John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and yes, even the “hero” John McCain.

    After Johnson “abdicated” rather than having his ass waxed, I lived through Nixon who was hawkish but allowed the generals (and there WERE a few real generals back then versus now) run the show. Nixon was so out of touch that he never knew North Vietnam was about to surrender when the Paris Accord was presented.

    Only God could help us after Gerald Ford was beaten by Jimmy 'Peanuts' Carter who’d been funded by Saudi money. The military was turned into Section 8 and even the Whitehouse suffered the austerity.

    Then the light began to shine and Ronald Reagan swept into the fray. He not only loved the country and the military, they loved him back. Esprit d’corps was off the scale during his presidency. The Liberals were slowly turning into socialists, however, and about this time all the draft dodgers of the 1960’s who’d been given amnesty by Jimmy 'Peanuts' were turning out college graduates with degrees in socialism.

    Bush 1 was an enigma from the CIA and though he never did much either way, he NEVER DID MUCH EITHER WAY.

    Welcome to Bill Clinton Clinton spent most of his two terms wagging the dog and creating the 'Oral' Office, sending a bomber to blow up Quaddafi’s tent and killing a goat or two, while allowing the UN to set up the infamous Black Hawk Down situation. He made history by becoming only the second president to be impeached.

    I actually felt sorry for Bush 2. He was doomed to infamy from the start. He thought most of America was still the rah rah patriots of WWII when they were 'simply socialists' waiting to feed him to the sharks.

    Then there came the Manchurian Candidate Obama with a faked (OK Democrats, let’s say “of questionable origin” to assuage your PC brains) birth certificate, who’d gotten a free ride through college under a foreign student exemption, and whose college records and complete life history had been 'sealed.' (We know more about Thomas Jefferson’s bastard children than we do about Obama, Michelle , OR their two faked kids.) From his inaugural address, he slandered America and within days had begun to encourage dissention of the races as well as slandering police who “acted stupidly.” That was mild to the crap that would come in doubling the national debt from what had been built by ALL THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED, feeding us bullshit about how Muslims built this country, and nationalizing American industries. Fueled by George Soros’ money and using the Air Force fleet as his personal charters, he appointed malcontents and traitors into positions of authority. He trashed the Constitution by installing “czars” (interesting he chose a title like that) to bypass Congressional authority. By that time, Congress was completely corrupt on both sides of the aisle. No one had balls to impeach this charlatan Obama.

    Mysteriously, the lone outspoken conservative Supreme Court Justice Scalia suddenly dies in his sleep at an Obama pal’s hunting lodge and the Supreme Court is evenly split. Finally, Congress shows some balls and rejects Obama’s Supreme Court Justice nomination. The Libertards aren’t worried because the fix is in. Soros 'has paid' demonstrators to cause turmoil at 'all the Republican gatherings.' Obama concedes that illegal aliens should vote as they won’t be prosecuted, and Soros-manufactured voting machines are caught switching votes in certain precincts Hillary has cheated her way to the nomination and her lies are completely ignored by the brainwashed minions of sycophants who follow her.

    But a shocking thing happened on the way to the forum.

    Middle America had had enough and although the pollsters and the pipers tried to convince middle America not even to bother to vote, they were fed up with the denizens of the swamp. It was time. Florida was designated a “swing” state ignoring that all those old retirees living in St. Petersburg, and the fed up Cuban Americans of Miami weren’t interested in their platform. Ohio and Pennsylvania , where coal production was blacklisted and where Obama had ridiculed them for “clinging to their Bibles and their guns,” lay awaiting this supposed “landslide” Hillary vote,.... and creamed it.

    The Socialist world of the Democratic Party disintegrated. An American who expressed unbridled love of country and respect for police, firemen, and military steamrolled across the heartland and the liberals realized their scheme was trashed. A CONSTITUTIONALIST would be nominated to the Supreme Court and if the old hag Ginsburg who’d claimed to retire if Trump were elected would actually retire and leave, the Supreme Court would have a massive majority of CONSTITUTIONALISTS for the next 40-50 years.

    Now, the same party who’d ridiculed Trump on his comments about the election being rigged, started screaming that the election 'was' rigged. They even advocated having the election repeated. They created mobs that burned and pillaged, stopped traffic, threatened murder, battery and rape of Trump supporters, and became the anarchists that the socialist dream thrives upon. They run like castrated pigs for safe zones and use diaper pins as their national symbol.

    This is exactly what happens when political correctness takes over and participation trophies are awarded to everyone. They can’t conceive how disgusting and subservient they have become. Donald Trump may NOT be the best person for the job, but he’s such a welcome respite from the candy-assed whimps who’ve been running the swamp that it’s refreshing to see. At the very least, Donald Trump derailed the Socialist train and bought us precious time. If he only does half of what he’s promised, we’ll still be legions ahead of where Obama has dragged us. Already countries who held us in contempt are lining up to be found in the favor of America. Donald Trump has done more in his short time in the public eye..he prevented Hillary Clinton from becoming president!

    So for you liberal lurkers and you half-assed fence-sitters, Tough Shit! You had your big hurrah and now your party is over. For you staunch Republicans in office, don’t gloat so much yourselves. You’ve been put on notice by the American people that we’re fed up with ALL YOU BASTARDS and if you don’t start putting America first, you do so at your own peril. You might want to buy a copy of George McGovern’s autobiography and see how shocking and humbling it can be for a professional politician to have to try to find legitimate work once he falls from grace.

    This election was pure, unadulterated AMERICAN. Hillary got beaten and AMERICA WON THE ELECTION. You can claim he’s not “your president” all you want, but unless you 'forfeit' your American citizenship, .....

    YES, HE IS YOUR PRESIDENT!!!!

    Go cry a river some place they need water.

    SEND THIS EMAIL TO OTHER AMERICANS YOU KNOW...

    'In God We Trust' Will be on every e-mail I send out from now on because, I don't want to lose our right to say it!.

    And I repeat “God Bless America”
     

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    Great question. Answer: because in the United States, at least in writing, we are considered Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

    Look at it from this perspective: there is Not Enough Real Evidence to make an arrest, so making a Top Secret investigation public, right before an election would be EXACTLY the kind of "Election Meddling" that the Democrats are complaining about. Except that in that case, since it would still be under investigation and possibly un-corroborated, it might be FALSE info.

    However, for Clinton, there is ZERO doubt about what she did. None. And her staff were complicit accomplices, too. The public was/IS understandably Outraged about it and the lack of response from the government, so given the developments, the FBI taking another look IS something for citizens to know. Nothing FALSE about that.

    Again, perhaps we should all be concerned that despite the mountain of evidence against her, she is not in jail. Want circumstantial proof of a "Deep State" or whatever? There you go. Explain why she isn't the fuck in jail.

    Ok but if the "deep state" wanted to hurt Trump's then release the information simply stating that we are investigating him and he loses the election. This did not happen - I believe it is because there is no deep state conspiracy against Trump.
     

    Jeb21

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    See I think Trump has UPgraded the office especially from a traitor like obama . You only call it lies but what he says is the truth, like yes folks he WAS wiretapped...

    He was not wiretapped - Carter Page was wire tapped.
     

    Jeb21

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    BTW even the Republican congressman who helped to write the memo has publicly stated that this memo has no affect on the Russian investigation or on Mueller's credibility.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/04/5831...g-to-be-a-russia-probe-even-without-a-dossier

    Here are some quotes for other Republicans on this

    Other Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee echoed Gowdy in Sunday show appearances.

    "This memo has frankly nothing at all to do with a special counsel," said Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, on Fox News Sunday.

    "I don't believe this is an attack on Bob Mueller. I don't believe this is an attack on the men and women in the FBI. I've served shoulder to shoulder with them and they are hard-working folks that keep us safe," said Rep. Will Hurd, R-Texas on ABC's This Week.
     

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    oh for those liberal using Snopes on Trump, here is one for you

    LOS ANGELES, CA - Snopes.com owners Barbara and David Mikkelson were detained by police today after an unrelated investigation of a Snopes.com editor lead police onto a paper trail of corruption, bribery, and fraud at the very heart of the fact-checking organization.
    Evidence obtained by police has revealed that Snopes.com, which markets itself as "the definitive Internet reference source for urban legends, folklore, myths, rumors, and misinformation," has a history of accepting money and favors from left-leaning and pro-Islamic political groups and individuals for helping them to advance their cause by rigging public discourse with selective fact-finding and deliberate manipulation of public opinion.

    he arresting officer caught Williston slipping some papers under a Persian rug, which prompted the police to remove the rug and examine the documents underneath it. One of them turned out to be a handwritten ledger, containing names of well-known individuals and organizations who have been paying Snopes.com to debunk stories that cast them in a bad light, while validating damaging half-truths and rumors about their political opponents.
     

    fl57caveman

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    I quit believing anything from them, after I caught them in a whopper several years ago...and they are bigtime democrat money donors...


    truthorfiction.com instead
     

    FrankT

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    I am sure snopes info is all real...lol paid hit pieces, How did I know Joel would get me??? lol good catch
     

    wildrider666

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    Hopefully, you are aware of what NSA does that is supposed to only target foreigners and those directly linked to them, but they collect all communications. If we expand and combine that with all intel of our closest Allies but still be above the Law, whats that?

    "FIVE EYES" or ECHELON: Before the Tinfoil Hats and B/S Flags fly, check the Net to see what has leaked so far. One example of abuse that is commonly used: Allows Gov "B" to spy on Gov "A" citizens, so Gov "A" doesn't break their countries laws yet they still get the intel or dirt. This was used on Senator Strom Thurmond and Angela Merkel to name a few.

    So how do you introduce intel/dirt (other then being caught) in a manner that the receiving Gov A can lawfully use in public/Courts without divulging the actual GovB; that developed or manufactured it? We must remember that it can't come from the average private investigator. It has to come from.....a SPY! A "former spy" that still has active connections in the right places like Russia and the CGHQ. The Spy is refered to as credible "from other work/results" provided. Isn't that interesting! We know there must be a screen for the chain of custody and money exchange on the "intel/dirt. Why not use what you have in place. Political adversary groups always search and pay for dirt. How do you ensure they connect? How about a connections between a Senior FBI Husband & Senior Fusion GPS Wife to opposing political committee and candidate; add more then a few anonymous tips to supportive media to stir the pot to a frenzy and get the intel/dirt from the dems to Justice, claim no bias because its in America's interest (though hitlery email/Server crimes were not) and request a Independent Counsel Investigation.

    Could be the way it went down. They do get caught from time to time but are entrenched, protect themselves and are protected by other. I wonder if I used any buzz words to get NSA Flagged? Could be.
     

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    Interesting Paul Ryan wants the democratic response to the memo released

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...se-panel-democrats-memo/ar-BBIC8xi?li=BBnb7Kz

    Nunes wont allow it? Why not - why not let the American people read both sides of the story?

    Why weren't you asking that question when the democrats were trying to block the first memo?

    No one argues the dossier was bullshit. McCabe himself testified that without the dossier, the Russia investigation wouldn't have been opened. The dossier was written by Steele, who leaked info to Yahoo News in order to corroborate the dossier he wrote.

    Now I want you to read that, and very plainly explain away each point.

    In fact, read my breakdown: https://freeamericannational.blogspot.com/2018/02/my-explanation-analysis-thoughts-on-memo.html?m=1

    And please attempt, using plain language like I did, to refute what I've written. Be aware, the breakdown I posted is written by me, someone with professional level knowledge of how some of this stuff actually works.

    I think I've asked for something extremely simple here.
     

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    https://freeamericannational.blogspot.com/2018/02/my-explanation-analysis-thoughts-on-memo.html?m=1[/url]

    And please attempt, using plain language like I did, to refute what I've written. Be aware, the breakdown I posted is written by me, someone with professional level knowledge of how some of this stuff actually works.

    I think I've asked for something extremely simple here.

    Very well plain English for you - The Nunes memo is nothing but a political pile of bullshit.

    First, the claim that the Russian investigation would not have happened but for the Steele Dossier - Plain English - Bullshit - that is not just my opinion but also the opinion of numerous Republican members of congress. Here is a quote by Gowdy the guy who helped to write the Nunes memo "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation,"


    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/04/5831...g-to-be-a-russia-probe-even-without-a-dossier


    Continuing on this same topic - even the Nunes memo itself admits that the FBI investigation started because of a report to the FBI by Australia that George Papadopoulos got drunk and bragged that the Trump campaign had received dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russia. The Russian probe was going to happen regardless of the Steele dossier.

    Next - the FBI was secretly taping Carter Page and therefore Trump's crazy claim that he was being wiretapped by Obama was also true. Plain English - Bullshit. Carter page was hired by the Trump campaign in May of 2016. In June of 2016 he went to Russia and gave an Anti-American speech - In August of 2016 word got out about the speech and Trump fired his ass. The FISA warrant was not sought or granted until October 2016 - Carter Page was no longer working with Trump or allowed near Trump - therefore any surveillance of Carter Page would not have caught up Trump because they were no longer together.

    Next - the FBI lied about the possible political bias of the Steele dossier. Plain English - Bullshit - in fact Nunes admitted this on Fox and Friend this morning. "n an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Nunes was asked about reports over the weekend that the FBI application did refer to a political entity connected to the dossier. It is unclear precisely what language the application might have used.

    Nunes conceded that a "footnote" to that effect was included in the application, while faulting the bureau for failing to provide more specifics."

    Next - the Nunes memo is proof of a deep state conspiracy against Trump and is proof that the FBI is corrupt and bias- Plain English - Are you f$$%% kidding me????

    Here is what the Republic congressmen have said on this issue:


    "This memo has frankly nothing at all to do with a special counsel," said Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, on Fox News Sunday.

    "I don't believe this is an attack on Bob Mueller. I don't believe this is an attack on the men and women in the FBI. I've served shoulder to shoulder with them and they are hard-working folks that keep us safe," said Rep. Will Hurd, R-Texas on ABC's This Week.


    So in recap and in plain English - the Russia probe was going to happen regardless of the Steele Dossier. Surveillance of Carter Page does not equal surveillance of Trump. The FBI did disclose the political nature of the Steel Dossier. There is no damn deep state, let alone a deep state conspiracy against Trump.

    Now I don't know why you or anyone else here believes that I owe them answers but there you have it.
     
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    As for Trump, I have no respect for the man and I am horrified about what he has done to degrade the office of the President. He consistently lies, without any consequences.

    Obama constantly lied about his relationship with radicals like Bill Ayers, Louis Farrakan and his religion, place of birth, sexuality (Bath House Barry) etc.

    180203094905-obama-farrakhan-2006-photo.jpg




     

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    Now I don't know why you or anyone else here believes that I owe them answers but there you have it.

    Well - to be fair YOU engaged in conversation / debate about this issue and defending your position is part of that process. If you've had enough and don't want to debate any more, exit stage left.

    I know I interrupted your circle jerk and I apologize.

    Sometimes I feel like I am talking to members of a cult, willing to disregard everything that might possibly contradict what their leader says.

    When you make comments like those, you really shouldn't get cranky about the response and tone they generate.
     

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    Most liberals are at best ignorant puppets and mental midgets who, on their best day, can merely regurgitate CNN, MSNBC, Mother Earth, or whatever. At worst, they are intellectually dishonest and willingly avoid the point of an issue by any fallacious logic they can come up with. Either way, they are stupid or they think you are stupid.

    That is why most of these threads lose interest for me after about 9-10 pages. When the liberal arguments become the equivalent of a three year old's "I know you are but what am I?" Honestly, I hope the moderators always keep them open though because eventually all the libs just end up talking to themselves in them. Its like the chicken leg you throw on the ground at a picnic to distract all the ants and get them to leave you alone.

    But thats just me taking the low road.
     
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    Political discussions can get heated for sure.

    I'm not always successful at it, but I always try to remember some advice my Dad gave me - At the end of the day, Washington DC is miles away - we don't have to live with our politicians in most cases, we do however have to live with our neighbors and community members. Keep a civil tongue in your head and remember that everyone is not going to agree with you, stand by your beliefs and values, and keep personal attacks out of it.

    Again I try, but know I slip now n then.
     

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    Well - to be fair YOU engaged in conversation / debate about this issue and defending your position is part of that process. If you've had enough and don't want to debate any more, exit stage left.





    When you make comments like those, you really shouldn't get cranky about the response and tone they generate.

    You are right and I stand corrected. Thank you.
     
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