BruceWayne
Expert
I ordered some Freedom Munition 308 175g HPBT remanufactured ammo and it finally came in but turned out they sent the wrong ammo. I didn't notice it was 168g HPBT until after I left the range putting 16 rounds down range. I'm sure that I looked at it but it didn't click in my head that it wasn't what I ordered. Anyhow, on to the review.
Remington 700 sps tactical 16.5" threaded barrel on a Caldwell bipod, Weaver 20mm riser, Leopold rings, and a Vortex Crossfire ii 3-9-50 illuminated scope with v-brite reticle.
My goal at the range today was to see how well it would group while also trying to zero in the scope. I also get asked about the grouping of this rifle and i never have a good answer. I just haven't shoot it enough to really know. Other than the Freedom ammo, I shot a few rounds of ZQ1 to make sure that I was on paper at 50 yards. Then put five rounds of Federal 168g HPBT match ammo at 100 yards towards the end of the session.
Trigger thoughts: I have recently gotten used to shooting AR10's with 3.5# 2-stage triggers. The guesstimated 3.5# single stage on the Remington sucked in comparison to the 1.2# part of the second stage of the AR10 triggers. If this rifle sticks in my collection it will get an adjustable Jewell or something similar. Having said that it does have a respectable crisp trigger pull and isn't too long of a pull. More trigger time and I might even be okay shot with it without swapping triggers.
Scope thoughts: It's a Vortex... Enough said... $210 scope with decent glass and the illumination would be good if the shooting range were ever open at dawn or dusk and I were shooting paper deer targets. I have put an estimated 36 rounds of 308 down range with no scope problems between two rifles. Is the v-brite 'dot' reticle the preferred reticle for precision shooting? I do not think so. I think it may be more suited for low light? hunting or maybe rapid? target acquisition at medium range targets. I have never shoot it beyond 100 yards and only targets have been checked and squares on paper. I could see the .6 MOA dot in the reticle covering a small target at longer distances.
Shooter: Novice; capable of shooting 3/4-1 MOA groups consistently with a rifle that is setup to shoot 1/2 MOA or better with a good shooter.
Performance: I will let the pictures tell the tale. I thought the grouping would be around 3/4 MOA for 5 round groups at 100 yards. Each group of 5 rounds ended up having two zingers. One group was the 1st and 4th round zingers and the other was 4th and 5th round zingers. The group on the top was the Federal ammo and i don't recall which were round count were zingers. Then the 3 round 25 yard group was okay.
Final Thoughts: It is a somewhat inexpensive tacticool rifle setup that I think it retails for about $1,000 ($700 rifle, $210 scope, $40 bipod, $20 rings, $20? riser). Street value maybe even under $1,000 including taxes. To improve my accuracy I need more trigger time. Maybe a new trigger to get down to around 1.2-1.5# or less to match the second stage of my AR10 triggers. I looked earlier and already forgot about aftermarket trigger prices. Timmey triggers I think run around $150 and the highend Jewell triggers around $250, please don't quote me on either bring exact. Then 175/178 ammo of quality match ammo to really bring the grouping together.
On to a few pictures!!!
Remington 700 sps tactical 16.5" threaded barrel on a Caldwell bipod, Weaver 20mm riser, Leopold rings, and a Vortex Crossfire ii 3-9-50 illuminated scope with v-brite reticle.
My goal at the range today was to see how well it would group while also trying to zero in the scope. I also get asked about the grouping of this rifle and i never have a good answer. I just haven't shoot it enough to really know. Other than the Freedom ammo, I shot a few rounds of ZQ1 to make sure that I was on paper at 50 yards. Then put five rounds of Federal 168g HPBT match ammo at 100 yards towards the end of the session.
Trigger thoughts: I have recently gotten used to shooting AR10's with 3.5# 2-stage triggers. The guesstimated 3.5# single stage on the Remington sucked in comparison to the 1.2# part of the second stage of the AR10 triggers. If this rifle sticks in my collection it will get an adjustable Jewell or something similar. Having said that it does have a respectable crisp trigger pull and isn't too long of a pull. More trigger time and I might even be okay shot with it without swapping triggers.
Scope thoughts: It's a Vortex... Enough said... $210 scope with decent glass and the illumination would be good if the shooting range were ever open at dawn or dusk and I were shooting paper deer targets. I have put an estimated 36 rounds of 308 down range with no scope problems between two rifles. Is the v-brite 'dot' reticle the preferred reticle for precision shooting? I do not think so. I think it may be more suited for low light? hunting or maybe rapid? target acquisition at medium range targets. I have never shoot it beyond 100 yards and only targets have been checked and squares on paper. I could see the .6 MOA dot in the reticle covering a small target at longer distances.
Shooter: Novice; capable of shooting 3/4-1 MOA groups consistently with a rifle that is setup to shoot 1/2 MOA or better with a good shooter.
Performance: I will let the pictures tell the tale. I thought the grouping would be around 3/4 MOA for 5 round groups at 100 yards. Each group of 5 rounds ended up having two zingers. One group was the 1st and 4th round zingers and the other was 4th and 5th round zingers. The group on the top was the Federal ammo and i don't recall which were round count were zingers. Then the 3 round 25 yard group was okay.
Final Thoughts: It is a somewhat inexpensive tacticool rifle setup that I think it retails for about $1,000 ($700 rifle, $210 scope, $40 bipod, $20 rings, $20? riser). Street value maybe even under $1,000 including taxes. To improve my accuracy I need more trigger time. Maybe a new trigger to get down to around 1.2-1.5# or less to match the second stage of my AR10 triggers. I looked earlier and already forgot about aftermarket trigger prices. Timmey triggers I think run around $150 and the highend Jewell triggers around $250, please don't quote me on either bring exact. Then 175/178 ammo of quality match ammo to really bring the grouping together.
On to a few pictures!!!