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    yes they are totally anti American and freedom. It is OK to murder babies but not to own legal weapons, talk about warped people
     

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    Amid a barrage of taunts from protesters calling him a "liar" and a "traitor," Vermont Gov. Phil Scott enacted the state's first major gun control measures during a signing ceremony at the Statehouse on Wednesday

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/12/protesters-heckle-traitor-vermont-gop-gov-phil-scott-after-state-enacts-unprecedented-gun-control-legislation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

    Is it coincidence or is he related to Rick Scott?
     

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    Well the courts were never intended to be political, and there's arguements that the SCOTUS isn't. So I agree with your sentiments, and inasmuch that so long as the court can keep party lines and agendas free from their rulings then I'm hesitant to call for a term limit.
    An example is the current gerrymandering cases. From what I understand they're reviewing a suit filed by democrats and a suit filed by republicans(each argueing a different amendment violation). Word is it's a sign that they aren't playing favorites. It's up too us if we believe them.

    Exactly, hence the lifetime appointments. Our law is supposed to be aligned with and focused on the constitution...that is the intent and vision of our founding fathers. The constitution is a set of negative liberties directed at government...it represents the chains that constrain the beast that is uncontrolled govt. The govt, in response to the bondage, is always trying to break free of the chains...and link by link it does so. Many people tend to like intellectual competition and you can almost see, and bank on a nearly 50/50 split on how people view the world, role of govt, work, food, sports or whatever...ying and yang if you will...as such, our Supreme Court justices are people too and are appointed by the political party in power at the time of vacancy and I really don't know of a good solution to keep them in check and focused on interpreting law from the lens of the constition...back to the ying/yang thing...many of us believe the constitution should be followed to the tee and many others (maybe 50% ??) think it is a guide, should evolve, change with the times, or "progress" if you will. I am a strong supporter of constitutional law and have read, studied history and witnessed what too much power does to a human being...if this country falls, it will fall from within and likely a complicit, politicized Supreme Court will be right their giving the power hungry elite their sanction....hopefully that won't happen as a world without a free America is a dark world to be sure...but things cycle. Regimes, kingdoms, dynasties etc come and go...ours will likely go too one day...hopefully not for a very, very long time. One thing our founding fathers had in spades compared to us is perspective. Our place as a world leader, super power and our almost obscenely high standard of living has made us very complacent and naive in many ways. This battle of individual rights vs. collective rights was going on waaay before our country was formed and this division was one of many hard fought battles and decisions made by our founders. The decision was in favor of the individual...and just like that in a short 250 years we went for horse and buggy to space travel...very amazing stuff really and no way to know how things would have been had the country been founded on a philosophy of collectivism... my bet is that the world would be a much more unpleasant place to live and our 'industrial revolution' would not have happened in the manner it did...if at all.
     

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    Our Founding Fathers freed themselves and future generations from a tyrannical government. The government they created to work for and in harmony with its citizens. That "government" has decayed to the point that its only resemblance can be seen on a flow chart. This corrupt government creeps closer every day to becoming a very similar tyrannical power that will need to be fought off. Many think that point has been reached already, I think we all will know for sure when that moment comes.

    Theats to the 2A are only a part of the problem. I will not endure a socialist government!
     

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    Our Founding Fathers freed themselves and future generations from a tyrannical government. The government they created to work for and in harmony with its citizens. That "government" has decayed to the point that its only resemblance can be seen on a flow chart. This corrupt government creeps closer every day to becoming a very similar tyrannical power that will need to be fought off. Many think that point has been reached already, I think we all will know for sure when that moment comes.

    Theats to the 2A are only a part of the problem. I will not endure a socialist government!

    I don't think we are anywhere close to reaching the breaking point. If anyone has read Malcom Gladwells "The Tipping Point", I think the concepts he outlines in his book is applicable to how the "critical mass" will manifest itself. There would be a few things, really bad, that happens in short order and our very standard of living/health compromised to trigger violence on a large scale...like that would happen one day...and what role the govt would play and would we be armed at that time??? Who knows, but history says a govt will oppress its citizens at some point in nearly all civilizations. Unfortunately (I think) we can't visualize how things would have been or will be without an armed society...it protects the citizens of this country from foreign threats as well as threats from our own govt....now what if we were helpless?
     

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    we already have several no-go zones in the usa, hammtrack, mi Detroit sections, and many ghetto neighborhoods a white or Hispanic man better not show his face


    I would say the division is becoming more pronounced, cities have libs and ultralibs concentrating, the country, where the conservatives live
     

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    Our Gov has been applying more restrictions and taking more from its Citizens every day. It depends on how long you've lived and what you have experienced during that time. For the most part, the Gov conducts itself like a Chef cooking a lobster: they don't throw it in boiling water as it will fight and jump from the pot, they put them in a pot of cold water then turn on the flame; gradually increasing the heat so the lobster won't know its threated until it succumbs. Like the Gov telling you you need to buy a commercial product, then they will monetarily penalize you if you don't do as they demand. It goes to SCOTUS and they rewrite penality to be interpeted as aTax for not buying (Paying your share of other peoples bills). It was BS as a penalty, BS SCOTUS wrote Law instead of interpreting it, Congress wanted it so they didn't protest SCOTUS exercising powers it was not entititled to use and we bubbled away in the pot. Pot temps are only increased but never ever decreased, all politicians support this simmering pot so they can either say the water is too hot or the water is too cold AND THEY will fix it!
     

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    2016 (most current stats avail) 40K killed and 4.7 M seriously injured in traffic accidents but there is no effort to destroy the United Auto Workers Union or end their Lobbying efforts, banking and commercial connections. So whats the justification for targeting the NRA in that fashion?
     

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    2016 (most current stats avail) 40K killed and 4.7 M seriously injured in traffic accidents but there is no effort to destroy the United Auto Workers Union or end their Lobbying efforts, banking and commercial connections. So whats the justification for targeting the NRA in that fashion?

    The justification is not a logical one. There are many more automobile on the streets than guns...most people use/need automobiles to "live" and guns are owned by a minority of people in comparison...viewed by many as not being necessary...and definitely viewed by the power-hungry as an obstacle to their ends. The debate will rage and our best defense is to stay true to the constitution...do so, and things will work out...progress away from it, most will not like the outcome.

    This is where being a "constitutional republic" comes into play....the majority, in time, will oppress the minority and the political elite will be more than happy to facilitate the erosion. This fight will be an eternal one. In general, special interest groups can often wield great political influence. The NRA is such a group that fights on behalf of the gun owners and there are a host of them that work to undermine our rights, often with mis-leading titles...like Southern Poverty Law Center...just one example. Behind all of these organizations is a great deal of money...some gathered from their constituents and others from shadowy sources, tax $ and outside influencers like Soros. The Clinton Foundation is one of those "shadow source", though domestic hiding under the umbrella of a non-profit organization...the money will buy influence long after Bill and HIllary meet their maker.

    I've often wondered what our world would be like if we dissolved all non-profit organizations? The more I learn about the corruption and operation of many of these organizations, the more I think the world would be a more benevolent place without the status....organizations that are there to help others would still exist but they would pay tax on "profits" and not be a tax shelter for the rich. Like many things in our lives, they were "sold" as a benevolent entity but many have grown/metastasized to powerful political tools, havens for special interests and legalized tax shelters for wealthy people hiding their money from uncle sam.
     

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    The justification is not a logical one. There are many more automobile on the streets than guns...most people use/need automobiles to "live" and guns are owned by a minority of people in comparison...viewed by many as not being necessary...and definitely viewed by the power-hungry as an obstacle to their ends. The debate will rage and our best defense is to stay true to the constitution...do so, and things will work out...progress away from it, most will not like the outcome.

    The U.A.W and the NRA/ILA perform the exact same political lobbying. Quantity of products in circulation is moot as the criminal or driver is responsible for the death/injuries? We have a Constitutional Right to firearms not a vehicle. "Need or want" is also moot as all eligible people can acquire vehicles or firearms. Many people "live" without vehicles or firearms as a personal choice or economic limitation. Without question, more people own vehicles than own firearms but this also slants their perspective on what is acceptable to them personally. IMHO

    Thank you for your consideration and comment.
    WR
     

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    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/30/joined-nra-after-gun-control/


    Years back, I was a staunch gun control advocate. Last week, I joined the NRA and the Gun Owners of America, and I’m looking to join more Second Amendment advocacy groups. How did this evolution take place?'...….
     

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    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/30/joined-nra-after-gun-control/

    Years back, I was a staunch gun control advocate. Last week, I joined the NRA and the Gun Owners of America, and I’m looking to join more Second Amendment advocacy groups. How did this evolution take place?'...….

    Better late, then never but he did peddle B.S. that was widely distributed influencing the opposition. I don't think he really "gets it" yet. He has found several reasons why he changed his position but hasn't grasped the fact that he does not need a reason nor justification. He has a God given or if he prefers a Human Right to arms which preceeds the Constitution but is supported by it. Reasons are merely potential uses though many authorities issuing permission slips require them. IMHO
     

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    Guess he's gonna be running hard Left this time around...

    Tracing a gun used in a crime often requires federal agents to search through boxes of handwritten records.

    That’s because federal law prohibits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from creating an electronic, searchable database of gun records.

    Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson wants to change that. He’s filed a bill called the “Crime Gun Tracing Modernization Act.”

    Sen. Nelson pushes bill to create gun-tracing database
     

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    lifted from another forum..




    Tim - USCCA <timschmidt@em.usconcealedcarry.com>

    Today at 2:14 PM

    June 2018 • Issue No. 24

    What SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb Calls 'Outrageous'
    BY TIM SCHMIDT - USCCA FOUNDER

    You may recall how just a few short weeks ago, the Chicago suburb of Deerfield actively tread on the rights of its citizens when, according to GunsAmerica, it imposed a ban on the "sale, possession and manufacture of 'assault weapons' and 'large-capacity magazines' to 'increase the public's sense of safety.'"

    CNN reported back in April that "if the 18,000 residents … [didn't] forfeit or secure weapons that [fell] under the ban by June 13, they [would] be charged from $200 to $1,000 a day as a penalty," something Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) founder Alan Gottlieb called "outrageous."

    As that deadline loomed closer, SAF, in conjunction with the Illinois State Rifle Association and Daniel Easterday, a Deerfield resident, "moved swiftly to challenge [the ban] because it flew in the face of state law," according to Gottlieb.

    The state preemption law to which Gottlieb referred was enacted in 2013 and declares that "only the state Legislature can pass laws that regulate firearms." [GunsAmerica]

    He noted that "the village tried to disguise its extremism as an amendment to an existing ordinance," as allowed during a short grace period, and added that the ban "certainly puts the lie to claims by anti-gunners that 'nobody is coming to take your guns.'"

    According to GunsAmerica, a judge ruled Tuesday in favor of Gottlieb & Co., "granting the injunction" and "thus preventing the village from rolling out" the ban.

    The Chicago Tribune reported that Lake County Circuit Court Judge Luis Verrones "found the Deerfield assault weapons ban to be a new ordinance and not an amendment to a prior ordinance" as the city claimed. He suggested that "the hardships imposed on gun owners outweigh any harm to Deerfield in delaying the effective date of the 2018 ordinance."

    Despite the blow, the city said it would consider an appeal.

    I'm thankful for the Second Amendment Foundation and other great pro-gun organizations who continually fight for our rights. Keep in mind that somebody has to initiate these types of proceedings and that their efforts often result in victories both big and small for law-abiding gun owners.

    Remember, too, how important it is that each and every responsibly armed American stay active in this fight. Every little bit you can give — your time, your money, your voice — really can make a difference.

    Take Care and Stay Safe,


    Tim Schmidt
    Publisher - Concealed Carry Report
    USCCA Founder
     

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