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  • DixieReb

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    Dang it boys, glad I’ve got my own range and don’t have to worry about possible bandits lurking around. 300 yds is max on my personal range, I let some of my neighbors and hunting buddies use it from time to time. I commented early about the situation, no way in heck I’m going to try to assist the bad guy if I shot him down, I’d probably keep shooting him till he wiggled no more, then go call 911 at first little bit of cell service. After this topic was started, I got to thinking about 2 rifle ranges close to my neck of the woods and both of them are very secluded, one belongs to a gun club which I don’t think a scenario like that could ever happen there, and the other rifle range that comes to mind is way out in the boondocks on National Forest land in Escambia County AL, and cell service may be iffy at best on the NF rifle range. So I agree with everyone that has replied to this post about keeping your CCW ready at a moments notice.
     

    Crazydoc68

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    Good samaritan laws cover a lot. So if you decide to or not render aid to the BGs, you are covered legally.

    Civilly, is a different matter.

    I was sued in NJ when I stopped at a car accident and one lady was DOA, but I still worked on her with CPR and i intubated her.

    Since I'm only certified as a basic EMT and not paramedic by the NREMT, they tried to sue for working outside of my scope of practice. However when I explained to the judge I was a combat medic in the army and was trained to do such things, it was thrown out.

    Just a story about personal experiences.

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    Good samaritan laws cover a lot. So if you decide to or not render aid to the BGs, you are covered legally.

    Civilly, is a different matter.

    I was sued in NJ when I stopped at a car accident and one lady was DOA, but I still worked on her with CPR and i intubated her.

    Since I'm only certified as a basic EMT and not paramedic by the NREMT, they tried to sue for working outside of my scope of practice. However when I explained to the judge I was a combat medic in the army and was trained to do such things, it was thrown out.

    Just a story about personal experiences.

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    I asked one lady that was a military trained medic about home many she saved doing CPR. She said she had revived just one person out of more than 30 people. The odds are stacked against reviving many people.
     

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    Good samaritan laws cover a lot. So if you decide to or not render aid to the BGs, you are covered legally.

    Civilly, is a different matter.

    I was sued in NJ when I stopped at a car accident and one lady was DOA, but I still worked on her with CPR and i intubated her.

    Since I'm only certified as a basic EMT and not paramedic by the NREMT, they tried to sue for working outside of my scope of practice. However when I explained to the judge I was a combat medic in the army and was trained to do such things, it was thrown out.

    Just a story about personal experiences.

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    This Is BS. You read all the time about “and nobody stopped to help”. This is why right here.
     

    Crazydoc68

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    I asked one lady that was a military trained medic about home many she saved doing CPR. She said she had revived just one person out of more than 30 people. The odds are stacked against reviving many people.
    Yes I have only revived two through CPR and I have done over 40 patients that needed CPR. It's more of a feel good thing to do. Especially trauma injuries.

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    As stated I don’t shoot at public ranges but if you are setting up alone, it may be good to pick your lane depending on whether you are right handed or left handed. If you are right handed and set up in the far left lane, you would be facing the other lanes much of the time.
     

    Crazydoc68

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    I go early to our long distance range here. Like when it first opens up. I dont trust others shooting. We had a woman double tap a pistol into the table. Nope I'm good on the 1100yd range. Usually I'm the only one there.

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    So here is something that I was thinking about the other day and thought it would make for good discussion. I sometimes shoot at a public range that is pretty remote. There is absolutely no cell phone signal there at all, can't even send a text. People show up there all hours to shoot, never know when someone is going to drive in. So here is the scenario...You are at the range shooting several guns. A car pulls in and parks a couple of spaces down from you. Two guys are just sitting in the car. You take notice of them then go back to shooting. You see them get out of the car and open the trunk. You observe they are not your typical gun range regulars, appear to be more the "thug" type. They are both doing something back there, you assume getting their guns and gear. You fire your gun empty and lay it down. At that point they run from behind the car holding guns, pointed at you, and shouting for you to get on the ground. You grab your gun, slam a fresh mag in and dive for cover. When they see you grab your gun they start shooting. You return fire and hit both bad guys. You are hit yourself, not fatally. One guy is dead, the other on the ground bleeding out. You approach, kick his gun away and start administering first aid but after about a minute you can't stop the bleeding and he is gone. Now what do you do? If you leave the scene to go get help or to get to somewhere you have cell signal to call for help what happens if someone else comes driving into the range and comes across the scene? Do you stay there hoping some random person will come driving in and you can send them for help?
    Another thing that I do, don't know if you do or not, I never have an empty gun at the range. I either have my ccw on me or I have a loaded gun laying on the shooting table where I can get a hand on it quickly.
    Use your head if you know that range is like that never go alone! an ounce of prevention and the like
     

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    I have never had any problems at this range, but I do shoot there quite frequently alone. This was just something I was thinking about that could happen. We are living in some crazy times.
     

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    Like FrankT, I would wake up from my dream, call John Wicke, and have breakfast.

    But you do give me one thing to think about: Should you always have a loaded defensive gun with you when at the range? Never really occurred to me, but something to think about.
     

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    Well, I'm damn sure not giving first aid to some jerk that tried to kill me
    A few years, before I'd moved away, there were a couple billboards in Pensacola from the health department. One said that like 1 in 4 African American men in Escambia County had HIV. The other said that there had been like a 600% increase in syphilis in the area that year. Let them bleed.
     

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    As stated I don’t shoot at public ranges but if you are setting up alone, it may be good to pick your lane depending on whether you are right handed or left handed. If you are right handed and set up in the far left lane, you would be facing the other lanes much of the time.
    Damn fine advice. Thank you. Never thought of it that way
     

    Boogan1

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    I understand the sentiment to let them bleed out, but when the family of the upstanding citizen you just shot sues you in civil court it sure looks a lot better for you that you tried to do something to save the scumbag.
     

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    I understand the sentiment to let them bleed out, but when the family of the upstanding citizen you just shot sues you in civil court it sure looks a lot better for you that you tried to do something to save the scumbag.


    Nothing against you personally, but that kind of thinking seems to infect society more and more lately. The "fear of what the lawyers will manipulate later" mentality that affects decisions in the present.

    It's not necessarily "wrong" to plan ahead for the next attack (the frivolous BS lawsuit), but if hedging bets against a future attack causes your tactics to put you in danger for the CURRENT attack, then you're making a wrong choice.

    The thug POS might not be fully compliant to your first aid attempts. As pointed out, they may have contagious diseases. There may be another threat nearby that you won't see while you attempt first aid. You may have wounds of your own that you won't notice until your adrenaline wears off. You are probably NOT officially qualified to administer first aid, and you're damned if you do and damned if you don't as far as the thug's family and lawyer is concerned.

    Do as your conscience and instincts dictate for the situation. For me, they are an active enemy (who just tried to kill me) on an active battlefield, and until reinforcements arrive and my medical status is stable, they can wait.

    They (and their dumbass frivolous lawsuit family and lawyers) can be thankful I called for legal medical help at all, and I chose RESTRAINT concerning furthering their injuries. (I doubt they would've done the same for me.) In a future zombie-apocalypse, they'd have a much more painful end to their miserable existence.
     

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    I was sued for excessive force and wrongful death even though I (and others) applied first aid/CPR and the entire event was caught on video. Agency lawyers defended and the lawsuit was tossed out in a summary judgement.

    Providing even basic first aid has nothing to do with the legality of your use of force. Yes, it's an attempt to save a life but the legal view is to apply it midigate motive and therefore degree of liability. Wether you save the person or not doesn't matter as much as did you try to render aid or not.

    As a Civ now, I have no written or implied duty to provide any form of aid in any type of situation. If you have to answer questions, Investigators and Prosecutors can be outlandish and questions entraping.

    Q1. After you shot Mr. Victim, did you see him bleeding out and do nothing to help him or attempt to save his life?
    Answer: Please quote the Law that requires such action. Thuggy directly attempted to inflict severe bodily injury or kill me and I stopped that Threat. There is no legal requirement for me to try and save the life of a person who attempted to take mine.
    Q2. But if your such a good citizen, don't you have a moral obligation to help your fellow man, especially; Mr. Victim, who you shot multiple times?
    Answer: There is no moral obligation to render aid because Thuggy was not acting morally in his attack, thereby forfieting any entitlement to receive what Tuggy has not shown.
    Q3. With your religous beliefs, don't you feel guilty for failing to honor "Thou shall not kill."?
    Answer: Stopping the Threat, not taking Thuggy's life was my intent. His physical condition afterward was not a concern for Thuggy or me when he attacked. My religion (and most others) differentiates between "Murder" of an Innocent and "Killing": in self defense, opponents in combat and criminals for certain crimes is recognized and justified; therefore there is no conflict with my religious beliefs.

    I can't recommend appoaching a downed aggressor for any reason. His gun may be 10' away but you don't know if he has another gun or knife. BGs life and the possibility of padding your actions to a DA, Jury or Judge is not worth placing yourself back into a Risky Situation you just saved yourself from.
     
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